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Conspiracy theories that DO NOT follow the money..

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posted on May, 20 2018 @ 05:51 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Hey JoshuaCox: I understand your point, but there are these things to consider: pirating (stealing profits) is real. If money is stolen, reattributed and history can easily be rewritten in this digital paradigm, it then isn't quite so simple as just "following the money," because, put simply: the money MOVED




posted on May, 20 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: tetra50

What I really mean is follow the “benefit trail” and see if that benefit trail was more valuable than what it would cost to maintain whatever conspiracy..

Most “rightwing “ conspiracies do not even have a tangible motivation.. there is no one it really benefits..

They are mustache twirling villian conspiracies.. not conspiracies where a real life human being wanted to achieve a real life goal.


Faking climate change would cos WAY MORE than a carbon tax could make..


Taking all the guns would cost trillions in blood and treasure.. the military wouldn’t do it.. the cops would t do it.. no elected democrat I history has ever even said they wanted to ban all guns..

They are fake conspiracies meant to propagandize stupid people.. they don’t even have a tangible pay off thought up to justify the cost of running the operations..


They have to shift it from profit, the only thing every other person and buisness cares about. To “they do it for control” or because they are Satanist, or because of some lefty cabal that secretly runs the world..

Why??


Because it doesn’t add up..



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: tinner07

Do Muslims control the US government??

Do Muslims control ANYTHING in the west?

No..

Part of any conspiracy behind “who benefits” is “do they have the ability to orcastrate the conspiracy??

To have a solid conspiracy theory you need both things to be true..


It doesn’t matter if I would or even did benefit from 911 if I don’t have access to terrorists, planes and the other materials and knowhow required to pull it off.

Muslims don’t have access to the requirements to lower birth rates..

I kinda figured that part went without saying lol..


Your trump example is perfect though..


Then when you look at the reverse conspiracy about trump/Russia.


The conspiracy that the FBI, CIA exc are all in a vast conspiracy to dethrone trump doesn’t make sense..

So all those FBI/CIA agents are risking their careers and maybe their freedoms to set Trump up for THEIR OLD BOSS?!?!


Because obama and hillary are no longer in power.. obama and hillary cannot protect them anymore..


The cost benefit analysis just doesn’t work.




posted on May, 20 2018 @ 10:28 AM
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Well theories aren't fact. Speculation on events. They hold no impact on reality as it is. It doesn't stop people from using these speculations to define reality though. At least in their own minds.



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Don't forget that psychologically speaking, it really is all about control. This is a huge drive for a lot of people.



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: tetra50

People don’t do things that cost billions of dollars for something as ambiguous as “control”..


I think “control” is a cop out people use when their conspiracy theories don’t actually add up.. they cannot think of a tangible motivation that would justify everything that is logistically required to pull off their pet theories..

People do things for very specific reasons, with specific goals.


For example: a government would only forcefully disarm a population because they were planning on doing something specific that would cause push back.


They wouldn’t do it for a vague sense of control..


“Control” would never justify all the blood and treasure spent to disarm everyone.



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

If a King has absolute control of his people, then what need is there for money to him?

money is control for now, if these people get their way then fear is control



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 04:44 PM
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I think all this illuminati stuff is mostly conjecture. The theories abounding of being chased and hunted down. One's security doesn't "light touch harass" although undoubtedly there have been conspiracies and stuff. Most of this crappola is just sandboxing online, and sadly enough inspires wannabes. You don't think those exist? Boy do I have a story...



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 05:01 PM
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I mean when we have literally Everyone running around thinking they are the illuminati or that they're being hunted by it and everyone is an insider or an outsider, and the revolution begins "here" we know that we've got a problem..

I don't even care about the illumi- you know.


And I'm all cool with like dan Brown level escapism and stuff..


I also don't get the "words have consequences they might "find you".. "


No they dont



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 05:04 PM
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.."pause, pause, pause, pause,pause"..



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: Ohthewey778

So is Hitler not responsible for telling people to kill Jews and gypsies??

I mean I doubt he did any killing himself... he just told other people to do it..

So no harm no foul right??

Only the soldiers who actually carried out the orders are gulity..



This kinda issue is in no way black or white.. it is way more nuanced.


Hell look at Charles Manson.. he never killed anyone..



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 09:48 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

After reading 2 pages, I went back to the OP and reread it. You have so many things in there I don't think one can arrive at any explanation that accounts for all of it.

Iraq and 9/11 seem to be related. Even though 9/11 wasn't done by Iraq, just the fact they occurred so closely together makes me think they are related. I believe 9/11 was done to facilitate the invasion of Iraq. There is big money everywhere in this story and plenty of ideas all of which may be true. One example is the idea of oil pipelines. Also don't forget how much money we have spent there. Trump puts the figure at 7 trillion. Someone profited just from that. I hesitate to really discuss this topic. I am pretty sure if I expressed my thoughts I would get banned from ATS.

Gun control - who makes money? I don't know but most western countries have far more gun control than the US. Who is making money there? When you ask them why, they don't usually say they ban guns to make money. Maybe there is another motivation.

When ecology was big, climate control started getting popular. So many people got their training in the field through the research grants in academia. Like Edumakated said: "You don't have to payoff the scientist directly... you just create an environment where it is financially beneficial for scientist to tow the line. For example, if you want a research grant, it better be supporting global warming. You create an atmosphere that doesn't allow dissenting thought."

So many people are now invested in this that it has become self perpetuating. It can't be dismissed without destroying the life's work and careers of all these scientists. So there isn't some single entity that profits but rather an entire industry ranging from scientists to the people that build and sell solar panels.

That's all for now. Probably the longest post I have ever written.



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Are you asking me my views on those subjects because I'll be happy to tell you if you just ask. I'm not sure how any of this is related to what I said. Yes you threw in the "we don't know how any of this is connected" but that seems to contradict your post itself considering all I said was basically a lot of theories online can be ruled out as bogus..something that can be inferred from literally anyone on the street corner. Not sure what that has to do with n0zis or any psychotic killer. If you are going with the theory that humans are basically effed and that stuff can crop up at any time then yeah I'll bite, but I didn't think that was part of the post and still doesn't put aside the fact that a lot of conjecture on line sucks toad bolls.
edit on 20-5-2018 by Ohthewey778 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Oh, I get it, never mind, I said "they might find you" etcetera and you made 1000 leaps into what I didn't mean. Maybe you're upset I called out trolls on the message board. I don't know..



posted on May, 20 2018 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: toms54

A) the 911/Iraq reference was an example of a left wing conspiracy with an easily traceable “benefit trail”. Where the people making policy , or more accurately the peope pretending Iraq and 911 were related then lying about WMD’s. Then they gave their own private contractor the rebuild contract.

So the theory that the reason they lied and started a war , was to give their own private company the rebuild contract makes sense..


It might not be true, but it is logical.



B) gun control does not equal a ban and confiscation.. there is a mile of distance between the two.

The conservative conspiracy theory is that some secret leftist cabal runs the government, media and scientists to fake global warming and come and get all the guns..


The thing about that is there are literally hundreds of oil companies and gun manufacturers who donate billions , upon billions of dollars to stop any regulation on those things...


Why??

Because they profit off of them..which is the same reason every lobbiests donates money to legislators on their behalf’s..


There are no scores of Fortune 500 companies donating billions of dollars to increase gun/carbon legislation..


Just look at how much money is spent lobbying for and against gun control..

It isn’t even close..

Hell .60 cents on every dollar the GOP receives is from people to stop them from “coming to get the guns”.... and that’s not even counting the NRA and manufacturers..



Protecting the environment and stoping gun deaths are not profitable buisnessman.



You have a couple random people , celebrities and such throwing around a few million here and there.. while Exxon donates 400 billion(BS number I made up for effect). to random candidates..



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 04:07 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

A) Why do you keep calling 911/Iraq a left wing conspiracy? Bush, Cheney, Bolton, CFR, neocons - the media describes these people as right wing. Even the Israelis that support it, like Netanyahu, are described as right wing. You must have some different concept of this. Anyway your explanation fails to take into account the role of the Saudis and other international elements that stand to benefit.

B) I don't understand how gun control is related to climate change. Even if some believe gun control is related to encroaching socialism, how does socialism relate to climate change? To think they are both a result of congressional lobbying is just too shortsighted IMO.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 07:55 AM
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A) because it originated and was popularized by the left. While the right was pretending there were WMD’s in Iraq..


It was neo-cons orcastrating the Iraq war, and the left accusing them of lying and then war profiteering..


Mainstream republicans backed the Iraq war and are only just now beginning to admit it was BS in the last couple years.

B) because neither conspiracy is logical, profitable or logistically possible..


They are mustache twirling villian conspiracies.. conspiracies where they can’t even think of a real life motivation or “benefit chain”. So they have to say it is “for control” , “for Satan” or something else that sounds good, but means nothing..



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:02 AM
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OK. If it is meaningless to say gun control is a conspiracy for the socialists to come to power, how do you describe all the incidences where they came to power in other countries? For money? Or control after which they can have they money? Political revolution is not an immediately profit making enterprise. The communist model is a slow process of demoralization, destabilization, creating a crisis, etc. None of it really pays off until they come to power. Maybe that sounds insane except that it's been replicated over and over in all countries that have gone socialist.

Climate control is now a growth industry. It reaches much further than EPA scientists. From electric cars to windmills. It is international. Transferring energy production from fossil fuels creates huge winners and loosers. If the oil economy of today could be overturned that is real money for someone.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

When I was born, the world population was roughly 3 billion.

By 2020, the world population is projected to be around 8 billion.

During that time the amount of drinkable water has decreased. The amount of farmable land hasn't increased. The amount of other natural resources hasn't increased.

Don't you think that those in power would be interested in controlling the people and natural resources in order to maintain their power? In the US, we are taxed for the land we live on, for the rain that falls on our roofs, and now they want to tax us for the air we breathe. Don't you think they would also be interested in controlling the behavior of that ever increasing population? Or even managing population growth?

Conspiring to have the most numbers on a computer screen doesn't do you much good if you can't get fuel, food, or water with that currency. You don't see anyone conspiring to have the most Venezuelan money right now.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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A) No country has decided to give up all their guns.. even in Australia you can fill out the paperwork and even have an automatic weapon. How do you think movies are made.. you can get a license for a tank..

In the american gun debate it is only over weather or not you can buy a gun without filling out paperwork explaining why you want it..


Which makes it even doubly stupid..

Automatic weapons are banned in America, but right now today if you have a reason to use one. You can get a license to get one..



B) Your assuming these are the same people.. when it is totally different groups that span over a century..


It is all part of the rightwing “with ya or against us” mentality..


Rather than thousands of different groups all fighting for resources and supremacy. There are only 2 groups..

Us and them..

Hitler has nothing to do with America’s modern right nor left.. it is a bs deflection to draw everyone into big groups.

C) about climate change: you are excluding subtracting the initial cost in setting up and maintaining the conspiracies in the first place..

Buying off larg chunks of the scientists, media, exc is not cheap..

You have to subtract that cost from the potential earnings from a carbon tax or whatever..

I doubt it would EVER equal what you were spending to maintain your conspiracy. Let alone recoup start up expenses..


Conclusion)

Big oil, pharma , and really every other buisness big enough to spend billions of dollars lobbying because it is profitable to do so..


They lobby and profit off tax breaks and deregulation..



It isn’t profitable to lobby on behalf of the planet or world peace...

Just look at how much each group spends..


Who spends more???

Exxon or green peace??




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