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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: DJW001
Likewise hold gun owners who allow their firearms to be stolen and used in a crime accountable.
Punish victims of crime?
Neat.
Maybe then people will wake up to the fact that every right comes with a corresponding responsibility.
Unless you're a gun owner, right? Because that's not really a right.
I mean, being a gun owner means your 4th amendment rights don't matter.
Being a gun owner means you're going to jail for getting your property stolen.
You antis suck.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
Well, he shouldn’t have been able to get hold of his father’s guns. Were they locked up like they should have been?
This is why we should require by law guns be locked up at all times, and we should have random checks to make sure they are - I believe there are other countries that do this.
If they had been properly locked up, this kid wouldn’t have been able to shoot anyone.
If Adam Lanza’s mother had properly locked hers up, he wouldn’t have been able to shoot anyone.
originally posted by: uninspired
originally posted by: kaylaluv
Well, he shouldn’t have been able to get hold of his father’s guns. Were they locked up like they should have been?
This is why we should require by law guns be locked up at all times, and we should have random checks to make sure they are - I believe there are other countries that do this.
If they had been properly locked up, this kid wouldn’t have been able to shoot anyone.
If Adam Lanza’s mother had properly locked hers up, he wouldn’t have been able to shoot anyone.
Sure if if you wish to exercise your 1st amendment right, the government can randomly come into your house and search through your computer and any journals you may have or keep, to make sure you're not spouting hate or anti-government propaganda.
They can start with your house, sound good?
If I owned a gun
I would not have a problem with periodically being checked to make sure I have it stored properly.
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Mach2
My parents/grandparents didn't need a gun safe. The kids knew, upon certain unspecified punishments (death, imho...), that those guns in the closet, and in the nightstand were forbidden territory and not to be touched.
Oddly enough, they trusted that it'd be enough. Equally oddly, it was.
M'kay. That's all well and good, but school shootings still happen. Perhaps relying on adults to judge their kids is a bad idea.
Parents of kids who shoot up schools should be charged with negligence at the very least. Do the bare minimum and lock up your guns if you have kids. Take them out when you're home if you want protection.
Kids are impulsive idiots, and there are a lot of complete dumbass and oblivious parents. This isn't about you, or you're parents. It's about all the other dumbasses.
No one should be going into your home to check, people who think that are complete morons.
The resources that would require in this country alone make it unfeasible, regardless of the illegality. Make the parents accountable if their kid shoots up a school and I bet a WHOLE lot more will start locking their stuff up.
It's really not a huge imposition. It's essentially keeping cleaning products on a higher shelf when you have a baby crawling around.
If you can't stomach the thought of your little precious being an asshole then justify locking up your guns to keep them safe from theft.
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: kaylaluv
This is why we should require by law guns be locked up at all times, and we should have random checks to make sure they are - I believe there are other countries that do this.
Other countries may allow for random checks in your home.
In this country, that would be just a tad unconstitutional.
originally posted by: redmage
a reply to: kaylaluv
Your willingness to sacrifice one of your rights for the "privilege" to express another is un-American, and it spits on the graves of all those who have sacrificed their lives to ensure that you maintain all of your rights.
I posted this in another thread regarding the same issue, and it seems fitting here as well:
If people really wanted to solve the issue of school fatalities they would focus on the causes instead of the symptoms. Without addressing the causes, the symptoms (like school shootings) will simply find new deadly methods to express themselves. I'd wager that we would see a drastic reduction, if not elimination, of such tragedies if two simple steps were taken.
1) ZERO tolerance for bullying in schools. If your child can't behave by treating others with respect at school, then expulsion should be the course of action. Force parents to actually TEACH their child how to behave, and the kid can try again next school year.
2) Legally restrict social media profiles (facebook, instagram, twitter, etc.) to 18+. There is no good reason for any child to be posting personal information online, and social media has magnified "traditional bullying" to the point of true torture pushing more and more kids over the edge every year. Once upon a time bullied kids could at least find some reprieve when they got home from school. With today's social media obsession there is no reprieve. Bullying continues 24/7 pushing more and more kids past the human breaking point.
The fact of the matter is that in today's world it's been proven time and time again that bullying eventually has very real and deadly consequences. I realize that it's much easier for people to blame inanimate objects than to take responsibility for their own actions, but enough is enough. No amount of punishing law abiding gun owners will solve these issues. Ban guns entirely, and you'll see kids hacking their way through the halls with machetes. Ban knives, and kids will pull a fire alarm to plow down the exiting crowd with a vehicle. Crying about the symptoms is just a futile exercise of whack-a-mole if the root causes are not addressed.
originally posted by: Taggart
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: kaylaluv
This is why we should require by law guns be locked up at all times, and we should have random checks to make sure they are - I believe there are other countries that do this.
Other countries may allow for random checks in your home.
In this country, that would be just a tad unconstitutional.
So is the patriot act, still waiting for someone to get mad about that. Or how about the large scale internet monitoring?or you know, just carry on like there isn't a problem.. Worked so far.. Right.
originally posted by: Taggart
So your solution is to blame everything other than guns or gun ownership or gun safety.. Cool