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German radio broadcaster Deutschlandfunk Kultur has claimed that the Islamic holy month of Ramadan is not only an “old German custom” but that it had been celebrated in the country longer than Oktoberfest.
In an article, journalist Eren Güvercin claims that Ramadan is a thoroughly German holiday and that there is no question that Islam belongs to Germany.
Güvercin maintains that the practice is older the Oktoberfest, also known in Bavaria as Wiesn. While he provides no evidence for his assertion, the earliest Wiesn celebrations are thought to have been held on 12 October 1810 to celebrate the marriage of Prince Ludwig, later King Ludwig I, and Princess Therese of Saxony-Hildburghausen.
The oldest mosque in Germany, by contrast, was built in Berlin in 1915 and was discovered by an archaeological team in 2015. The mosque, which was made of wood, was thought to have been intended for Muslim prisoners of war as it was built inside a World War One-era prison camp.
originally posted by: xuenchen
So some radio show and an article (in German) spreads an idea that the Muslim Ramadan is actually a German custom that pre-dates Oktoberfest !!
Well this news certainly changes history doesn't it !!
How true is this, and how many people believe it ?
Is this German gov propaganda ? 😲
Broadcaster: Ramadan an ‘Old German Custom’ Celebrated Longer than Oktoberfest
German radio broadcaster Deutschlandfunk Kultur has claimed that the Islamic holy month of Ramadan is not only an “old German custom” but that it had been celebrated in the country longer than Oktoberfest.
In an article, journalist Eren Güvercin claims that Ramadan is a thoroughly German holiday and that there is no question that Islam belongs to Germany.
Güvercin maintains that the practice is older the Oktoberfest, also known in Bavaria as Wiesn. While he provides no evidence for his assertion, the earliest Wiesn celebrations are thought to have been held on 12 October 1810 to celebrate the marriage of Prince Ludwig, later King Ludwig I, and Princess Therese of Saxony-Hildburghausen.
The oldest mosque in Germany, by contrast, was built in Berlin in 1915 and was discovered by an archaeological team in 2015. The mosque, which was made of wood, was thought to have been intended for Muslim prisoners of war as it was built inside a World War One-era prison camp.
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Translated
Fasting for a month from dawn to sunset - Ramadan has begun. For some, once again the question arises as to whether Islam belongs to Germany. Here, Ramadan is spread here longer than the Oktoberfest, says journalist Eren Güvercin.
This morning quite a few people got up before dawn at an unusual time to have breakfast. For as of today, these people will practice a German custom for one month: on the occasion of Ramadan, they will fast from dawn to sunset.
Longer spread than the Oktoberfest
Yes, you have read correctly: Ramadan is an old German custom that has been around here longer than the Oktoberfest. Yes, there are now some contemporaries in Bavaria frown. The Ramadan is German and more home in this our country as much, which now passes as a German culture, since you can almost only shake his head: Halloween for example, or bachelor parties. What would Goethe, Schiller and Rilke say?
German and Muslim is not a contradiction
Politicians, critics of Islam and some permanently frustrated contemporaries are always happy to diagnose that Islam or Muslims or both are not part of Germany. At the same time, they degrade the Christian cross to a cultural symbol in order to exploit it politically.
The fact that we finally have a home minister, however, also gives me hope. It makes me hope that we are really more deeply concerned with the question of what we as Germans understand a positive home. Unless the function of a Ministry of Homeland is to define itself through demarcation.
Homeland is too important a term to politicize and use as a concept of struggle. Home for me personally means, for example, that German and Muslim is not a contradiction, but something completely self-evident. Home is something that should connect, and not split.
Ramadan is a German reality
In this sense, fasting in the month of Ramadan has long been part of the German religious landscape. It is a German reality. To break the fast in the evening, many people gather in Germany to eat together and to meet each other. Muslims like non-Muslims. In my tribal mosque, Ramadan gathers around 1,000 people each day to break the fast: refugees, the needy, travelers, and people from the neighborhood.
Anyone who wants to spend this special time together is invited. Muslims like non-Muslims, fasting and non-fasting. The daily fast break with hot soup and a small menu is organized by volunteer parishioners and funded by donations. In Ramadan, people get to know each other, who would never meet in everyday life and become visible to social groups with whom we have nothing else to do.
Especially in these times, when there are actors on all sides who stir up discord and resentment, this spirit of Ramadan is more important than ever.
The debate about Islam is absurd and unrealistic
Ramadan, with its spirituality and focus on the essential, is an important part of Germany, although many may not be aware of it. It is important for us as Germans to reflect on such worlds of faith, to occupy ourselves with them, to immerse ourselves in them. Because then we would very quickly realize that politicized and hysterical debates on questions such as whether Islam or Muslims are part of Germany are absurd and out of touch with reality.
You should have at least once seen a mosque from the inside, the world of belief in the approach times have met to make judgments about affiliations. Islamic religious practice has long since found its home in Germany. And we German Muslims are looking forward to Ramadan in our Germany. Nobody can deny that to us.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: xuenchen
I don't about the claims of this German journalist but he's not technically wrong that the celebration of Ramadan in Germany predates the celebration of Oktoberfest, considering that Oktoberfest dates to 1810.
Despite the Breitbart writer's mosque red herring, Muslims have been living in Germany since before 1810. There's a Muslim cemetery in Berlin that dates back to 1798.
Ever heard of the Bosniak Corps?
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Im as liberal as they come, but I reject this move to put down and rewrite European or white history to fit left or currently pc narratives. That's not justice.
Furthermore, I find it offensive as a person partly of German descent.
a reply to: xuenchen