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One version of materialism is called proto-panpsychism, and it is the idea that all matter has some sort of primitive conscious element to it, that assembles into a complex experiencing being as material complexity increases.
originally posted by: joeraynor
So to start, a number of observations and organizing principles:
1) We appear to be experiencing a material-based system. This system seems objective. It appears to follow discoverable patterns and laws. It seems internally consistent, and applying the scientific method is directly useful in understanding its features and structures.
That's about where I am at now I think. I've been trying to feel around my own consciousness for awhile now, and I've been noticing it's an illusion to think it's one self.. it's more like trillions of things all "voting" and all added together it somehow becomes one thing..
One thing I do know for sure is that it's not just the brain that has thoughts.. bacteria in your gut even effect your food cravings.. your thinking, your actions.. So at least as far as every cell in the body does participate in mind, and I don't mean just through neuron pathways..
it's almost like consciousness is a dimension like space or time.. Fundamental fabric of reality, that is communicable to other levels of consciousness..
The quantum superposition principle, a key distinction between quantum physics and classical mechanics, is often perceived as a philosophical challenge to our concepts of reality, locality or space-time since it contrasts our intuitive expectations with experimental observations on isolated quantum systems. While we are used to associating the notion of localization with massive bodies, quantum physics teaches us that every individual object is associated with a wave function that may eventually delocalize by far more than the body's own extension. Numerous experiments have verified this concept at the microscopic scale but intuition wavers when it comes to delocalization experiments with complex objects. While quantum science is the uncontested ideal of a physics theory, one may ask if the superposition principle can persist on all complexity scales. This motivates matter-wave diffraction and interference studies with large compounds in a three-grating interferometer configuration which also necessitates the preparation of high-mass nanoparticle beams at low velocities. Here we demonstrate how synthetic chemistry allows us to prepare libraries of fluorous porphyrins which can be tailored to exhibit high mass, good thermal stability and relatively low polarizability, which allows us to form slow thermal beams of these high-mass compounds, which can be detected in electron ionization mass spectrometry. We present successful superposition experiments with selected species from these molecular libraries in a quantum interferometer, which utilizes the diffraction of matter waves at an optical phase grating. We observe high-contrast quantum fringe patterns with molecules exceeding a mass of 10 000 amu and 810 atoms in a single particle.
Of course, nobody has seen the quantum superposition of a baseball or anything anywhere near that size. The experiment would be impossibly difficult. But physicists have seen this wave-particle duality for protons, atoms and increasingly large molecules such as buckyballs.
And that raises an interesting question: how big an object can physicists observe behaving like a wave? Today, Sandra Eibenberger at the University of Vienna in Austria and a few pals say they’ve smashed the record for a quantum superposition by observing wavelike behaviour in giant molecules containing over 800 atoms.
ba) the material world is a simulated reality we are being fed through sense data (common simulation theory), and is embedded in another reality.
Sort of like it's a simulation and quantum weirdness is like error correction, "oh # he noticed this" change everything to make that make sense as one reality.. And then Reverbs gets dejavu as the only fleeting consequence.. Dejavu movies that can be fast forwarder like memories, and then I know the very near future, said out loud those around me see that I am remembering the future.. Hasn't happened in some time but it really nags at me. in other words extremely advanced simulation, that is not coming from another reality.. It is all there is.. So one would call it then reality, but reality that follows rules of simulation..
Don't you guys ever get that weird feeling, if you could just turn around quick enough you could catch the editing before it's real?
We are not always the captain-of-our-ship... sometimes we are nothing more than the flotsam & jetsam from an ill-designed vessel (sins of the fathers can be ingrained for 3 generations)
ere, for my own musings, I have for the time being, adjusted ''embedded in another reality'' to ''embedded as part of a broader reality.'' For me, at least at this time, allows for the elimination of some of the classic critisims of ''dualism''.
The rules of the system we are observing may in fact be arbitrary, and may only apply to this system. They are fundamentally different from the laws of logic, which would seem to apply in any system.
This is an interesting view. If our material system was in fact the base reality, and not a simulation, but did exhibit traits we would only expect in a simulation (ie: error correction with respect to conscious beings) why would you suppose things would be arranged this way? It seems like an unlikely way for the world to operate...
yeah all the time... I ask myself if there really are any planets at all outside of this solar system, or just the least necessary data modeling a macro object's effect on its parent star we would need to be shown based on our current means of observation, like we are getting Truman Showed' in some dome. I don't think this is the most likely answer, but it is interesting to entertain and I can't fully exclude it!
People and groups with better minds than I possess have invented techniques and technology that can measure nearly everything. They've elevated 'sense data' and empiricism to another level. We can detect cosmic rays and identify their origins in many cases. Cloud chambers can demonstrate the existence of them and independent observations can form a consensus that they do exist. It's not always about LHCs and transient bosons.
What I feel sure of is that it doesn't matter. Simulated or not. Imaginary or not. It's trivia when there must exist a material world to house simulations or solipsistic personalities. Even if consciousness exists outside of what we currently consider 'the material world,' it'll still be bound by laws of physics and measurable at a point in the future.
Everything is an unlikely way for the world to operate.. What in the world would be a simple explanation to you? The only reason this only freaks a few people out is normalcy bias. Its terrifying that I came to be. A simulation from another "real" world? that just pushes the question down another peg.
or are the odds something comes out of nothing reliant on some property of nothing? and if nothing has a property then it is something and why does something ever exist in the first place?
mirror worlds that bounce inside out to each other through a center point of nonexistence.