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originally posted by: dug88
originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
First, a disclaimer: I have no research to present here, merely a few thoughts on this subject, hence why I'm presenting this question in the General Chit Chat Forum.
I've been reading here and there about the different achievements in robotics and computer programming that are mimicking human abilities and behaviors to the degree that it now seems possible that machines will one day meet and surpass human capabilities, even without becoming what we would consider sentient.
I have giving thought to the idea that there is or will be machines that can do anything humans can do, but can or will be able to do it more precisely, efficiently and quickly than humans can. It seems that there can be a machine created to fill every job now performed by humans without the need for high levels of artificial intelligence. The better the understanding humans have about how things are, the better we can create machines that can perform the same processes that brought us to that understanding. It seems that eventually machines will be able to do this better than humans can at this point.
I had thought at one time that machines will never have the same capacity for creative endeavors that humans have, but computer programming can be made to use the same creative tools to mimic our greatest artists and their techniques. After thinking about all the things that humans do, I began to think that eventually the sex industry would be the last niche that machines will not be able to fully occupy. However, it seems that machines will one day meet and then surpass the "real feel" of human intimacy.
Currently machines serve mankind, but I can see that once humans have been effectively replaced by machines, there will be a period of time when humans will be servicing machines until they have machines to do that job as well. What will be left for humanity after we have engineered and programmed every aspect and characteristic of humans into our machines? What qualities do humans have the machines will never be able to conquer? What could humans claim to have that give value and meaning to our existence once we have machines do everything humans can do? Once machines have become human from every practical point of view, what can humans become to exceed the capacity of the machines? Will machines surpass humanity, or will humans evolve to become something more than their machines? Will our human biology ever over come the technical ability of our ever more advanced machinery?
My answer to those questions is perhaps given enough time we could be something more, but I have the sinking feeling that the machines will get to the point that they will always be many steps ahead of their human creators.
I spend all day programming and running machines that make thing people used to make by hand. As many of the fantastical seeming things AI can do. I don't think it can replace the entirety of even what i do let alone the countless other trades and crafts out there. There's still a lot of parts of the process that come down to subjective judgements based on human senses and a life of experience.
Plus machines always # up...always...there's nothing like showing up in the morning after a power surge and your machines don't know where the # they are any more. Or, when a small speck of dust lands on a microcontroller inside a sealed cabinet and somehow shorts out the entire emergency stop system. Or when you get a coolant temperature alarm and you open the chiller unit to find a #ing waterfall pouring out of it. Or the constant, never ending maintenance all machines require. God so many nipples to grease...
originally posted by: IAMAMOG
a reply to: [post=23411663]MichiganSwampB yes because emotions are variable and transient a machine would consistently have the same emotion to the same scenario ....unless it randomly spat out an emotion from a selection of possible emotions ...but even then they would be out of place ....if i won the lottery ...you crashing into my car would have a much different outcome than if i had just lost all my money gambling for example...my facial expressions would suit my reaction leading up to the emotional trigger.
originally posted by: violet
They can’t give a good haircut or any other cosmetic applications to look right. You actually need to look at the person’s face while doing it.
Can’t cook, need to taste test and add just the right amount of herbs, salt , pepper, pour liquids.
Not sure I’d want a robot operating on my brain either. Or delivering a baby.
There must be more much they’re of no use at , but that’s just off the top of my head.
My answer was more about replacing humans in the workplace , but overall they lack artistic integrity and can’t just wing it,
originally posted by: Serdgiam
Personally, I think it'll absolutely get there. "There" being machines being able to at least emulate anything "human" convincingly enough as to be indistinguishable.
That said, they wont actually be human. Which seems obvious, but its pretty profound I think.
What I expect is that the beginning stages will emulate us, since I'm not sure we can frame it any differently, but will then start to grow into its own novel entity(ies) that will be as foreign from our experience as plants.