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The Trump Administration Will Soon Prohibit Abortion Services At Federally Funded Clinics.

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posted on May, 18 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan




What if atheism had a church where discussions on morality could take place? Where lessons on interpersonal relationships could occur?


What if "Ethics" were a required public school subject, instead dictating right and wrong (morality)?




posted on May, 18 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan




What if atheism had a church where discussions on morality could take place? Where lessons on interpersonal relationships could occur?


What if "Ethics" were a required public school subject, instead dictating right and wrong (morality)?



What if you just stated a better solution to my mental musing?

I think that is a fantastic suggestion. It could replace something less useful like economics, which doesn't even teach how to balance a checkbook (but discusses the subtleties of stock trading)



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

My beef with the issue is that many just want to label women murderers when they do not offer any ideas to reduce abortion (that is the best we can hope for because making it illegal will not work).
No one actively goes out to get pregnant to get an abortion but many want to control women and or slag them off when they have already made a hard decision that they will have to live with.
Heck we are blokes and to be honest we have no idea and it should be their choice.
I always ask the murderer screaming folk how will they make women carry a child they do not want but never get a straight answer, that tells me much tbh.
We are not going to stop it ever so the best thing to do is to reduce it and I do not think getting rid of programs like PP is going to help, I think it will just force desperate women into unsafe situations.


People tend to reach for that big ol bag of hyperbole when discussing heated affairs. It happens. Some folks feel passionate about the topic. Dogs, dog abuse, and dog rescue...i get similar. Its my passionate subject (i've had to learn to not preach to people who have dogs with docked tails and ears for mutilating their pets).

Beyond that, few people have solutions. There are untold thousands of children in the system that would love to have a piece of that love. But folks don't adopt. And they especially don't adopt children with issues.

There likely are solutions, but ill be damned if i have any. Plan B seems more palatable to me than abortion, but thats a fallacy and I know it.

That is why I simply state that I don't like abortion. I wish people wouldn't do it. But...its really none of my business what anyone outside of my own does.



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I don't like it either I don't think anyone does that's why I say the best we can do for all is help reduce it.



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 04:26 PM
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What a great move.

Planned Parenthood can now separate their abortion business completely from their health services business. remember, liberals have told us that not one cent of taxpayer money goes towards abortions, so that means PP can stop using their current facilities and open new locations focusing on abortions under a completely separate business and it won't cost them a cent. I mean, that must be true, because remember not a cent of federal funding goes towards abortions...apparently.


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posted on May, 18 2018 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth


The only problem with that is "privacy". When a woman walks into a Planned Parenthood clinic, the obnoxious protesters outside don't really know who is going in there for what. If there were clinics that were "abortion only", not only would every women who entered there lose her privacy on the matter, but all the workers lives would be in danger too.



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

You may consider LIVING CHILD arbitrary -- I don't.

Independently living outside the womb.

In need of air, water, food (includes breast feeding), shelter, education, etc etc etc.

You mention simple. That's simple to understand.

as always



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
The vast majority of women that I personally have known who get abortions have had far more than just one. And none of their lives were in danger. They use it as a form of birth control instead of just actually trying to use something, anything to at least try to prevent pregnancy in the first place. Most of their “planning” for parenthood is dealing with the consequences that may or may not happen later down the road.


a reply to: intrepid

Good research disagrees with you, pal: 51% of all abortion patients in the US got pregnant whilst using contraception, 24% using condoms and 13% the pill. So there you go, once again, contraception is never 100% effective and more than half of pregnancies happen whilst using contraception.

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originally posted by: research100
I totally agree with you Agartha...... to the original poster...yeah just put all the blame on the women....what about the MEN they are a part of this equation.......we are meant to continue the species,,,it is biologically driven


Women have been blamed for centuries and centuries, thanks to organized religion.

Funny how 54% of abortions in the US are committed by Christians....... LINK --


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edit on 18-5-2018 by Agartha because: Added reply + Spag



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

It's not that people don't want to adopt. It's that the system we have in place in this country for adoption is pretty limiting. The cost alone is pushing $50,000. Most families don't have that kind of cash just lying around.



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Gothmog
Using Federal Funds to go to abortions is illegal under Federal Law
Doesnt matter if a person is Pro-Life or Pro-Choice.


but trump wants credit for it....just like the Obama economy, trump starts on the 1-yard line and scores a touchdown after Obama drove 99 yards pulling the country out of the s**t, then trump cuts taxes to the wealthy....in 2000, bush comes into office with an annual budget surplus from Clinton, and...boom...cuts taxes to the wealthy, and the country starts amassing a budget deficit

What ?
You trying to rewrite history already ?
Obam's evil legacies are being deleted from the books.



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 07:01 PM
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Trump is also making them not allowed to even mention abortion or abortion providers- he is truly a fascist dictator and doesn't care about the people of this country.



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 07:22 PM
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28 Her children arise and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her: 

29 “Many women do noble things, but you surpass them all.” 

30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting; but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised. 

31 Honor her for all that her hands have done, and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.

Prov. 28-31

I see who you are you little encourager you. You are a rare breed carewemust.

I know a lot about you from that one post I just read
edit on 18-5-2018 by bulwarkz because: edit: this does this a lot to me lately. That was a quoted reply to carewemust *lesigh



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: bulwarkz


The Test for an Unfaithful Wife

27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.
28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband,
30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her.
31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”
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posted on May, 18 2018 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: bulwarkz


The Test for an Unfaithful Wife

27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.
28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband,
30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her.
31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”

Did this example of yours commit abortions?
I fail to see any relevance other than they are both biblical quotes.
My reply was directly to carewemust in response to her post that had an answer viewed as encouragement, not fear.
I see a kind soul in that post. Her post gave reflection to who she is inside.

Much in the same way I get clear insights into your inner person from your post.
I highly doubt I can use my compliments to her AND you, so do not take offense as I accused her not you!



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: testingtesting

Show mothers considering abortion videos of children being loved by their mom's, and the children growing up to be happy adults.


I tried to quote this post for my reply above.



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: bulwarkz




Did this example of yours commit abortions?


Yes.



I fail to see any relevance other than they are both biblical quotes.


Well, one is a quote from a poet, and the other is (supposedly) a command from GOD.



Her post gave reflection to who she is inside.


Their posts most certainly do, but you know what they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure.


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posted on May, 18 2018 @ 08:12 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: testingtesting

Show mothers considering abortion videos of children being loved by their mom's, and the children growing up to be happy adults.


I had 2 living children - - when I chose to get an abortion.

Many women who already have children get abortions.



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: testingtesting

Show mothers considering abortion videos of children being loved by their mom's, and the children growing up to be happy adults.


I had 2 living children - - when I chose to get an abortion.

Many women who already have children get abortions.


So when you tell this story to your children do you think they feel loved or lucky that their nickname is not "my little bean" or coceived inbetwwen jobs or boyfriends?
I do not think you are noble in what you are doing here. You brought your personal life into in hopes you become some kind of joan of ark.
But you never acted noble then and you are not noble now. You should be shamed and ridiculed not just as a bad mother but one that seeks only selfish love from others like an orb that absorbs light rather than reflect. You only consume love.

Why you choose to use your life as the example amazes me. Certainly you cannot claim I am attacking you. You made yourself the object lesson.
Certainly you never expected to get away unscathed while claiming your acts are moral and right simply because you are a woman who already did it, and you kept 2 alive or escape the killroom. In my opinion your reasoning can be be viewed as narcissistic and selfish. Certainly not moral or even ethically right



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 08:55 PM
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This is not prohibiting abortions. It basically creates greater barriers for abortion services so they can't use facilities paid for with federal dollars, prevents abortion providers from being paid with federal dollars, etc.

Federal Money typically has strings attached, and these strings are being pulled by Trump for a change.

I'm not sure what the big deal is. If abortion is so self-sustaining from private dollars and charities then they should be able to survive without tax dollars, right?

Right?



posted on May, 18 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu




This is not prohibiting abortions. It basically creates greater barriers for abortion services so they can't use facilities paid for with federal dollars, prevents abortion providers from being paid with federal dollars, etc.


The Federal Government isn't paying for facilities They are reimbursing clinic for federally reimbursable medical services like doctor's visits, pelvic and breast exams, STD tests and treatments, birth control prescriptions and referrals to specialists.




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