Arab historian says there are no Palestine people.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: nwtrucker

Nice source by the way, an Israeli website.

What's next, using WWII German literature to quote "facts" about Jews?

This thread is a joke.

So anything Israeli can't be objective?

Shall we dismiss Kanye for being black?

originally posted by: Fermy
Sorry but , just, LOLZ

Enjoy...

a reply to: dawnstar

I'd say that's an accurate view on how the Euros have messed the ME up.

a reply to: Gothmog

El Correctamundo.....That philistine ....bunch, why they

they disappeared as a nation

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
a reply to: Gothmog

El Correctamundo.....That philistine ....bunch, why they

they disappeared as a nation

I believe part of the reason was Christian incursion.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: nwtrucker
People on both sides of the fence make too much of the name.
Yes, they are just Arabs living in what used to be called Palestine. Not a distinct ethnic group from other Arabs,
Just as "Texans" are really just Americans living in the state called Texas. Not a distinct ethnic group from other Americans.
However, their political claims are not based on the name being attached to their group. The claims are based on the fact that they and their ancestors have been living on the land for centuries.
So the incessant argument about "they are not really Palestinians" is a red herring.

I would say the analogy is closer to 'New Englanders' or 'Rust Belters' or "Midwesterners.' Palestine is a region, but it has never been its own sovereign state.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
a reply to: Gothmog

El Correctamundo.....That philistine ....bunch, why they

they disappeared as a nation

I believe part of the reason was Christian incursion.

It was OT?

I don't Think Jesus had any much to do with it.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
a reply to: Gothmog

El Correctamundo.....That philistine ....bunch, why they

they disappeared as a nation

I believe part of the reason was Christian incursion.

It was OT?

I don't Think Jesus had any much to do with it.

Afterwards.
Several conquerors and most Philistines converted.

oh man, goliath was a philistine...had four brothers there when he got a boo boo

that's why Davy picked up 5 stones

that was the land of Gath i read.....Joshua killed all the giants but in three places...one was Gath....ha...philistines.....Gath....

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: nwtrucker
An interesting piece on the non-Palestinian People. The article, written by an Arab, says it's an invention.

Judith Bergman is an Arab? Regardless, looking at her writings she certainly isn't unbiased in this.

Secondly I don't care if the Palestinians are called that or purple people eaters. They have still been screwed over.

How have they been screwed over? They are Jordanian refugees, and none of the Arab countries want them. Its convenient for the Arab countries that they are a thorn in Israels side as opposed to theirs.

Palestinians living in Israel make more money than those that don't. Palestinians work within the Israeli government. Palestinians living in Israel that aren't trying to firebomb people are living pretty well. Palestinians that are, elected Hamas as their governing party.

Within the charter of Hamas, as its own separate line reads: Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others
before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al
-Banna, of blessed memory).

originally posted by: nwtrucker
An interesting piece on the non-Palestinian People. The article, written by an Arab, says it's an invention.

It's another piece of evidence that adds to my theory that there never was a real intention to create a Palestine by it's neighboring Islamic nations. That land had already been 'penciled in' in an Islamic super state which has been at least temporarily shelved by Extremist Militants of ISIS/ISIL who are now deemed worse than the status quo.

In any event, worthy of a read.

en.mida.org.il...

While I tire of the old arguments, this piece is worth the responsibility of response to the OP....

This is all true but the argument made is also irrelevant. Yes, there were no Palestinian People before the ~ late Sixties / Early Seventies. But there are now and the fact that they dont have any real history to speak of doesnt matter in the least.
What makes a people? Nothing. Everything. There is no process or even legal definition for it. People just are. And they are if they stand up and declare themselves as such.
This is what the People of the US did in 1776. You dont need a history going back thousand of years and a Claim form the ancient past to assert your claim. All it takes its big enough group of individuals to stand up and declare themselves. Big enough for what? Big enough to achieve recognition.
Yes, Palestinians started as an invention. But today there are millions of these invented people declaring themselves as such and an international community which has Long since recognized their existence. Its not upon you or me to tell them anything different.
And like anyone else around they too have a natural right to self determination. In turn of course the Israelis have a natural right to self defense, so there's conflict.

a reply to: mightmight

Actually, some damned good posts in response to the thread, Including yours. (well said.)

I've learned from it.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Well, if i were a Palestinian today i'd set my eye on Jordan, not Israel. Before the refugees from Iraq and Syria, for a long time an absolute majority of the people living in Jordan was Palestinian . There is no difference between the people East and West of the river besides one is under Israeli Military and the other under Hashemite rule.

Hashemite rule over Jordan is not set in stone. Build up a Palestinian national movement, take over the country through a democratic process. Live free and peacefully henceforth, with or without a Hashemite figurehead. Job done, forget about those crappy hills east of the river. The hills west of the river are more suited for agriculture anyway (not even kidding).

Of course the only time they tried something of the sort in the Seventies they started an armed conflict and got their asses kicked.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Arab historian says there are no Palestine people.

perhaps the Arab historian meant to say all countries are part of acient Israeel.

I've always found it amusing that the Israelis, or pro-Israeli apologists claim on the hand that there never was a state called Palestine, yet on the other hand call the native inhabitants Palestinians!

As has already been said, it doesn't matter what you call them, the simple fact is that they are a people who are being systematically removed from their lands by force, brutalised and murdered if they don't comply, by people who have no "right" to be there.
These Jews who continue to move there, often assisted by organisations given charitable / tax exempt status by foreign governments, are nothing more than religious supremacists. Their acts towards the people whose lands they want are nothing short of genocidal. That this can happen in the 21st century, based entirely on their own perception of supremacy over others, and be ably assisted by other states is astounding. We have bombed other countries and destroyed them, left them in tatters, for a lot less than Israel has managed to get away with over the years!

There is nothing anti-semitic in my views, I don't care who they are or what religion they follow. Their actions are simply wrong on so many levels!

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
They are Jordanian refugees.

By what definition are they "Jordanian"?
The word "Jordanian" has exactly the same origin as the word "Palestinian".
Palestine is a region where Arabs live, Jordan is a region where Arabs live.
Any objection that applies to the word "Palestinian" applies equally to "Jordanian".
OK, Jordan is now a sovereign state, but only recently.

Furthermore, Jordan's control of the West Bank began with the war of 1948 and ended with the war of 1967. It is a little absurd to label the inhabitants of the West Bank by a political connection which lasted less than twenty years.

originally posted by: Britguy
I've always found it amusing that the Israelis, or pro-Israeli apologists claim on the hand that there never was a state called Palestine, yet on the other hand call the native inhabitants Palestinians!

As has already been said, it doesn't matter what you call them, the simple fact is that they are a people who are being systematically removed from their lands by force, brutalised and murdered if they don't comply, by people who have no "right" to be there.
These Jews who continue to move there, often assisted by organisations given charitable / tax exempt status by foreign governments, are nothing more than religious supremacists. Their acts towards the people whose lands they want are nothing short of genocidal. That this can happen in the 21st century, based entirely on their own perception of supremacy over others, and be ably assisted by other states is astounding. We have bombed other countries and destroyed them, left them in tatters, for a lot less than Israel has managed to get away with over the years!

There is nothing anti-semitic in my views, I don't care who they are or what religion they follow. Their actions are simply wrong on so many levels!

So what's your solution for the Jews, then??

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
I wish to add.....as foretold............in the basic instructions before leaving earth

I don't think aliens are coming cause some random grew Jaffa oranges.

a reply to: nwtrucker

we've lost the solution to for the jews in ww2 when the europeans thought it was better eliminate them than to accept them within their own societies. come to think of it, they did about the same thing with america and australia at an earlier time... finding a large group of people troublesome and in the way, round them up, ship them off somewhere, help them take the land from those who inhabit it and tax the heck out of colonist subjects!!! round up the original inhabitants and figure out what to do with them, ship the africans to the americas and sell them as slaves, round up the native americans that won't surrender to your will and move them to reservations and hope they starve and die off.
can't really say that this began with the europeans though because it was the same thing that happened to the Isrealites and Jews thousands of years ago!!!
it happened in germany to my ancestors during the time of the roman empire, and my family started it's migration, searching for a better place, gee, can I have my ancestral castle back, or at least the land that it was on??? I've seem the pictures of it, it's looks lovely and I really appreciate all that was done through the years to keep what is left of the castle still standing and build that nice bustling city around it and on the land my forefather once owned... but I want to go home now so can all you who are now occupying this piece of land please vacate and go back where you came from??

in america, there's been some major court battles with the Onondaga and Oneida Tribes, you wouldn't believe just how much land, occupied land, they want back... whole cities!!
should we take the land from those that occupy it now, and give it back to those it was stolen from.... like we did with the Isrealis and Jews? What about my ancestral castle and it's lands, can the my forefather's children's, childrens, childrens, children's, childrens... how ever many generations it's been have it back now??
there is no good solution for the jews or the palestinians... what is done is done. but we really should stop this expansionist trend we have... let both have their own space, settle on something that both find acceptable, if they can't agree on jerusalem, them make it a world cultural center governed by the UN that will enable all from the three religions to honor the place and what it means to their relgion.
I'd be happy if we just learned from our mistakes instead of creating more problems for future generations to have to deal with!

a reply to: nwtrucker

Why do we need a “solution for the Jews”?

Those that even today move to Israel do so knowing that they will displace others in order for more Jewish only settlements to be built. That is morally and ethically wrong!
Once there they even get to terrorise and attack the Palestinians, to try and force them off their land, often with a police or army escort as they carry out the attacks and vandalise crops and buildings.

They are not refugees fleeing oppression and moving to Israel, but are doing so based entirely on religious grounds. I thought we were supposed to have evolved beyond such barbarism? Hell, even some Majority Islamic countries don’t act like that and operate under a secular system, allowing all to practice their chosen religion, free from persecution. Not Israel though, who sees itself as above all others.

As long as we are run by bought and paid for politicians, beholden to the money from the very small percentage Jewish donors, and allow such deep meddling in our affairs by them, then things will not change.
The mess the country is in is a direct result of their own greed and brutality towards the Palestinian people. They should be held accountable, as any other state should be.