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Trump expected to cut Planned Parenthood funding

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posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Fools

may I suggest that if you don't want muslims immigrating to your countries, you devout more time and resources into lifting up and making their own countries a more pleasant place to live than you do blowing their danged homes up with missiles???




I would think just leaving them to their own lives would be much better. Sadly our country keeps electing jackasses like John McCain or Barack Obama or George Bush or etc., etc., etc., who just love to attack any country that has some sort of resources that their corporate masters want.

This is one of the main reasons I am still on board with Trump. So far he has done much less damage to the world than all of his predecessors.

Also, even though that accounts for alot of the current immigration, there has been a steady flow regardless of the wars.


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posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar


All well and good. Now it's evolved to 'near birth' abortions. Either way, it doesn't require...or deserve federal funding.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: peter vlar




At what point do you consider a fetus to be life? The moment of gestation? when it develops eyes or a heartbeat can be detected?


my answer to that question would be at the point where if that fetus is forced out of the womb, either by the mother's decision or by fate, the society and the medical community believes and is willing to devout the time and resources to at least try to keep the little tyke alive. which would mean, if the women were to miscarry in the 6th, or 8th, or 12th or whatever stage they wish, then the hospital staff should be obligated to find that little kidney bean sized fetus, determine weather or not it has a heartbeat, and do everything in it's power to keep it alive!! I mean why should our concern over the life of the fetus change depending on weather it's within the womb, or ejected out of it... it's still alive, and we should try to save it right?



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:32 AM
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Really this is like treating a symptom than actually solving a problem. Because morality and personal responsibility have taken a back shelf in today's society. Birthing a child should be a planned event with planning its future in a stable home with the best opportunities made available for them to have a healthy vibrant future.

Personally, I think people should not be able to reproduce without evidence the child can be cared for and provided for. Using a vaccination that renders people reproductive organs dormant until they can provide evidence that they have a healthy 2 parent home with the means to support the child.

While this view seems a bit extreme, but so does slaughtering millions and birthing children into a broken home with little or no hope.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:37 AM
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As I brought up last time the idea of defunding PP was floated, this will primarily affect Republicans, Trump's base in particular.

It's already been established that more welfare dollars go to Red states than Blue. So that alone means that it will more likely be Republicans affected than Democrats. It's also going to affect those in rural communities more than those in urban areas. Those in the city have options other than PP, like free clinics. For many women in the country though, PP is the closest and best option.

To see an example of how terribly things can go when PP is defunded just like at what happened when Pence did it in Indiana. The HIV rate in rural communities skyrocketed.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

Good news for you then, abortions aren't federally funded. The way PP receives funding from the government is through programs like Medicare and Medicaid. Neither of these programs cover abortions. Thus, PP is not receiving federal funding to perform abortions.

They're receiving federal funding to perform many routine medical procedures that most, if not all, women will require in their lives.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

It's a violation of federal law for federal dollars to fund abortions. The money PP gets from the federal government only covers STI screenings, preventative healthcare contraception and things of that nature. Why should some of the most vulnerable people be punished by having their healthcare options even further limited? I'm a fit of irony, the states who get the most PP funding seem to be states that overwhelmingly voted for trump so in effect, those people have voted away their access to free or extremely inexpensive health care because the charges, at least where I live, are based on income. Screwing over the most vulnerable and at risk segments of our populace actually accomplishes what the OP claimed Margaret Sanger was trying to do, despite it not having any truth to it (it as in the OP's premise regarding Sanger's secret motivations for offering women access to birth control which led to her arrest on multiple occasions).



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

and, yet in just about every state, there are restrictions on just who can get those "near birth" abortions you are talking about. there are only two doctors in the country available to do them. they cost an outrageous amount of money, and... gee, isn't is only reasonable that if the women didn't want the baby to begin with, they would have had it done much, much earlier, when it was cheaper, less dangerous to them, and probably before they painted the nursery, bought the crib and clothes, ect?

and, unless you are willing to admit that catholic hospitals and groups like catholic charities are receiving federal funds to promote their religion (by the way catholic charities isn't, I know for a fact, the hospitals are going beyond that and allowing those beliefs to effect their care by deviating from what is standard medical procedures in some cases), then you should really accept the fact that no federal funding is paying for abortions!! the majority of the money they get is in the form of reimbursements for care that they provide through title x and medicaid, medicare. just like catholic charities will receive reimbursements for providing counseling services, and catholic hospitals will for the medical care they provide!
if one of them are "spongeable" then they all are!!!


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posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: cenpuppie


".....what moral authority do you have to force a woman to have a child, especially since no one but her knows their situation."



Has nothing to moral authority, it's called the laws of nature. Its statically proven that most aborted pregnancies are due to irresponsible sex and sheer inconvenience.

Think of the major paradigm shift if those two factors were addressed.

And you don't need PP to buy condoms.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: peter vlar




At what point do you consider a fetus to be life? The moment of gestation? when it develops eyes or a heartbeat can be detected?


my answer to that question would be at the point where if that fetus is forced out of the womb, either by the mother's decision or by fate, the society and the medical community believes and is willing to devout the time and resources to at least try to keep the little tyke alive.



So you're telling me that when my wife miscarried, I should have fished the thing out of the toilet and sped off to the ER? Sorry but that's ghastly and I'll probably have nightmares now.


which would mean, if the women were to miscarry in the 6th, or 8th, or 12th or whatever stage they wish, then the hospital staff should be obligated to find that little kidney bean sized fetus, determine weather or not it has a heartbeat, and do everything in it's power to keep it alive!!


a kidney bean sized fetus isn't going to be kept alive outside of the womb by any means. What you're suggesting sounds like it would precipitate some serious PTSD for everyone involved.


I mean why should our concern over the life of the fetus change depending on weather it's within the womb, or ejected out of it... it's still alive, and we should try to save it right?


None of this even remotely answered my question about when one considers a fetus to be alive. You seem to be insinuating that it's alive at the moment of conception if you want to check for a heartbeat on a kidney bean sized clump of cells, which would put it at about 6 weeks of gestation which is a point where the majority of women don't even know they are pregnant yet. And again, as I stated earlier, many who miscarry at such early stages don't know they miscarried let alone that they were with child.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: peter vlar

and, yet...
Iowa just banned just about all abortions after that 6th week....

www.reuters.com...

and... this law... well, what can I say...

azdailysun.com...

careful what you wish for, the stage that we deem that the unborn life needs to be protected is gonna effect much more than just the abortion issue, if only because the danged lawmakers fail to consider just how their stupid laws effect the other aspects...



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 01:29 PM
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More support for Trump, WIn!



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: NorthernLites

While I support and applaud the decision, don't expect too much actual debate here.

Those for abortion will never change their minds, those against abortion will never change theirs.

It's a sad reflection on society as a whole that this is happening.






I agree the only way to solve this is compromise which is a lost art in US politics.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: NorthernLites

Why is it when you kill a pregnant woman they charge you with 2 homicides - the mother and baby? If you just kill the baby it is perfectly legal. The baby is not a person. If the baby isn't a person with legal rights how is it possible to be charged in the first case?


Because liberals have no idea what they're talking about and viability is completely dependent on their feelings rather than facts.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: Plotus
a reply to: NorthernLites

I don't get it... "People who support PP are racists who want Black babies to die. President Trump wants to defund PP because he cares about Black people"

Nobodies killing black babies...? Planed Parenthood is preventing pregnancy and unfortunately Roe V Wade, aborting babies, but in all races or colors. If the babies make it to the swaddling cloth, I think they are home free. And as far as President Trump, I think he's trying to phase out career welfare recipients.



Statistically speaking blacks top the abortion numbers despite being a minority. That is followed by Hispanic, non-Hispanic, and lastly white.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 02:29 PM
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a reply to: bender151

no viability has nothing to do with people's feelings and is all about facts!
if a women develops a problem near the end of her pregnancy, viability just might play a very important role on weather an early birth or the continuance of the pregnancy is the best course of medical treatment!!

I think that roe v wade just chose to bypass the question of just when human life beings during the pregnancy, which is really a question that there is no clear answer that there seems to be no clear consensus now, let alone then. instead, they centered on the rights of the women and time that that the fetus would have at least some chance of survival if it was delivered early... thus preserving the rights of the women's bodily integrity (since she can still have the baby removed from her body at that point and the fetus might survive with proper medical care)... as well as the right of the viable fetus to their life.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: cenpuppie

How about we teach kids how not to have sex because sex is how babies happen?

Nah! Kids are going to have sex, so let's teach them how to do it safely and then ... oops! Sex makes babies even when we have safe sex.

So then we have to teach them how to have abortions and shame everyone into silence over what an abortion really is and really does.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 02:47 PM
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women if you want equality fund it yourself like I have to fund my own everything on top of buying the rest of the world their free stuff



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

then you shouldn't mind if we cut the child health program out of existence, end medicaid, hud, food stamps, and all the other giveaways... which will end the taxpayer having to subsidize company's payrolls if they want living breathing low paid workers flipping their burgers, working on their factory lines, ect. and gee... why stop there, why not stop that other socialist program called health insurance, since a healthy responsible person can spend a fortune just to have it used to pay for the healthcare of strangers! it should be every man, women and child for themselves!! right???

or is it just women's reproductive health needs you object to???



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 05:56 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: nwtrucker

Good news for you then, abortions aren't federally funded. The way PP receives funding from the government is through programs like Medicare and Medicaid. Neither of these programs cover abortions. Thus, PP is not receiving federal funding to perform abortions.

They're receiving federal funding to perform many routine medical procedures that most, if not all, women will require in their lives.


Yep , no abortions from PP. Let the States fund it. Better yet, let women fund it.







 
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