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Trump's ZTE Announcement Smells Like Quid Pro Quo

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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 12:37 PM
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Trump with MNC Group CEO Hary Tanoesoedibjo and his wife Liliana in August, 2015. Photo: Trump Hotel Collection. Via South China Morning Post

A lot of eyebrows were raised when President Dennison went all Make China Great Again on Twitter. In case you missed it:



It wasn't just his concern for too many jobs lost in China either. Last March, the U.S. Department of Commerce handed ZTE the largest export control violation it's ever given, $1.19 billion for exporting US technology to North Korean and Iran. ZTE was allowed to continue doing business with US companies on certain conditions. They violated the terms and last month, the U.S. Department of Commerce banned US companies from doing business with ZTE for seven years as a result.

As was reported today, last month the Chinese put together a list of demands for Trump (worth checking out). Number 5 on that list is about ZTE and states:


Having noted China’s great concern about the case of ZTE, the U.S. will listen attentively to ZTE’s plea, consider the progress and efforts ZTE has made in compliance management and announce adjustment to the export ban


About a quarter of what goes into ZTE's phones is sourced to the US. Without a massive undertaking, ZTE can't simply switch to alternatives and on May 9th, ZTE announced that they were suspending operations, including manufacturing.

Oh and did I mention that in 2011, the HPSCI (you know, that dysfunctional #show Nunes is running into the ground) recommended that the government not use ZTE phones because of the threat of Chinese state surveillance?

Something happened between the May 9th announcement and the May 13th tweet from Trump.

Trump Indonesia project latest stop on China's Belt and Road


A subsidiary of Chinese state-owned construction firm Metallurgical Corporation of China (MCC) signed a deal with Indonesia's MNC Land to build a theme park outside Jakarta as part of the ambitious project, the company said in a statement Thursday.

The park -- expected to be backed with up to $500 million in Chinese government loans -- is part of an "integrated lifestyle resort", known as MNC Lido City.

The project includes Trump-branded hotels, residences and a golf course, as well as other hotel, shopping and residential developments.


The Chinese construction company is not expected to be building any of the Trump branded properties within the resort complex or provide the funding to build them (but hell, who knows?) but there's no "Lido City" without the theme park and without the Lid City, there's no properties to pay Trump for his brand.

A bit more from the MNC Lido City website. I ran the text about the Trump branded properties through Google translate.




In collaboration with Trump Hotel Collection, the first Trump community launched in Asia will feature Trump's signature brand marking unparalleled luxury, modern glamorous nuances and quality service accompanied by the world's best design designed by the international Oppenheim Architecture and EDSA companies that have earned a number of awards.

This community will provide a 6-star resort for a moment of relaxation moments from the city's atmosphere, offering a Trump brand of personal service standards and a wide range of facilities including upscale restaurants, spa and conference destinations. As a complement to this community also attended the 18-hole championship gold course designed by Ernie Els, who won the four-time Major winner and 2015 Gold Designer of the Year along with an elite country lifestyle club that gave its members unrivaled privileges such as 24/7 concierge service and other advantages. For those who crave a second home, this nich community also brings exclusive collescence from super-luxury villas and mansions as well as high-end resort condominiums that provide a stunning golf backdrop to its inhabitants while keeping privacy in the presence of a vast expanse of landscapes.


There is a truly unprecedented level of entanglement between a President's business interests and US foreign policy. I remember a thread where Trump supporters screeched long and loudly about John Podesta having shares in a company in the Skolkovo tech park (Joule), a project that was promoted by the State Department as part of the "Russian Reset."

This is in the same vein but even worse. And if you cried foul about Podesta, you should certainly see the potential problem here. While it's not proof positive of a quid pro quo whereby Trump set policy to benefit himself, it's also hard to imagine that Trump can forget about a deal that will net him millions when making policy decisions.
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

But so far, at least with the payments to Cohen we know of, it seems that trump has actually went against those giving his lawyer money

The fact is this is the first president we have had with such expansive financial ties around the world when he came in

It seems inevitably he would make a decision that may benefit one of his properties

The question is, did he make the judgement for the purpose of benefiting his company, or is that just a side effect?

If he did it to benefit himself and it is proven, he should be held accountable

I think there may be another option you haven’t mentioned

I think this may be a quid pro quo, but not for trump personally, but to solve the trade disputes with China

But you are right to look in to this. We need people being watchdogs to make sure no elected official is making policy to just benefit themselves
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

ZTE purchases $3 Billion in US manufactured components annually. The "quid pro quo" here was that ZTE staying in business is good business for the US tech sector. Meanwhile, the ultimate goal here was already achieved... ZTE will almost certainly not be able to find a market to sell phones to within the US. So there's absolutely no downside to America here and nothing but $3 Bil in upside.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 01:18 PM
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That'd why it's called a "deal". It's never one sided. Let's just hope the deal will benefit the US as a whole and not just Trump.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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I suspect its business related.

But i won't own a ZTE phone. They are known spyware purveyors.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

The deal is with the Trump organization, not Donald Trump.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 01:27 PM
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A good deal with ZTE could end the spyware controversy.

Who could be against THAT ?

😃



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: Grambler


The fact is this is the first president we have had with such expansive financial ties around the world when he came in

It seems inevitably he would make a decision that may benefit one of his properties


Right and it's for that reason that maintaining a global business empire and being President don't mix well.

I'm sure you've heard more than once that Carter put his peanut farm in a blind trust. But did you know that the Republicans then kept tabs on it after the fact? And because Billy was basically embezzling from the company, the Republicans had a special counsel appointed to investigate whether or not Jimmy Carter was secretly putting money from his own peanut farm into a political slush fund?


The question is, did he make the judgement for the purpose of benefiting his company, or is that just a side effect?


How would we ever know? Short of a recorded conversation or one side revealing the details, how could anyone find out that there was a backroom deal?

And what if there was no deal but at least in some part, Trump's actions were guided by his personal interests nonetheless? That's something that cannot be proven one way or the other by any means short of Trump's own admission.

At the least it's a conflict of interest whether or not it actually impacted Trump's decision. And it's not exactly the first either nor will it likely be the last. I wonder if this is going to be the new norm going forward with future presidents?
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: Grambler


It seems inevitably he would make a decision that may benefit one of his properties

The question is, did he make the judgement for the purpose of benefiting his company, or is that just a side effect?


This is exactly the biggest problem with Trump.
He may claim to have divested himself of his business interests
(supposedly being overseen by his progeniture)

However, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind
that for every foreign policy 'decision' that Trump makes
he will have a very keen eye as to the knock on effect to his business

There are vast examples, on every continent :

Newsweek : Donald Trump foreign business deals national security
Businesses in Turkey, Dubai,, China, Brasil as well as in Ukraine ...

And it's not just a left leaning media site who says so,
right leaning media sites have been on the story too :


Time : Donald Trump's conflicts of interest list

BBC : A list of Donald Trump's conflict of interest

The Hill : Trump's scandalous conflicts of interest

The Atlantic : Donald Trump conflicts of interests

It's common knowledge to pretty much everyone
that Trump has his fingers in some very nasty pies
with some very unsavoury people

So it wouldn't surprise one iota if the 'ZTE hands accross the ocean'
doesn't have a kickback for Trump tied in to it



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Yeah but people are still going to buy phones and stuff, ZTE failing wouldn't make much of a difference because the established companies will fill their place or new companies will, companies that'll need to source components too.

Nobody ever gave me a job so I could buy stuff off them, that's basically what you're saying.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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Has Trump divested from his businesses yet? I hear a lot of people saying he has, but everything I’ve read points to the contrary.

I know he supposedly turned over the day to day of his businesses to his sons, the same sons who have been personally working on this deal with China..



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
I suspect its business related.

But i won't own a ZTE phone. They are known spyware purveyors.


Trump knows that. Perhaps all his staff will get them so he can keep them under surveillance and stop the leaks.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:27 PM
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You didn't hear? That stuff is A-OKAY now. Anything anything like that going on after Jan 21, 2017 is just fine, really.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:28 PM
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Why can't it be WIN - WIN ??

Or do you wish bad things for China ?



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Do you remember this 'mise en scene' from Janurary 2017 ?
Trump announced that he was handing over the business to his sons ...

There was wide spread mockery and derision at the time
The pages were probably blank as no-one was allowed to verify




posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: theantediluvian


The question is, did he make the judgement for the purpose of benefiting his company, or is that just a side effect?


That does not matter. That cannot be proven, and I'm guessing he won't be tweeting an admission. Short of that, no one will ever know the motivation behind his decision, except him.

What we need to focus on is the evidence. If it is shown he and his company have personally benefited from it, then it's a conflict of interest.

This is why he never should have been allowed to take office until we knew who he was and what his interests really were. When someone has so many business interests and potential agendas, we need to be able to follow the money.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 04:02 PM
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you really have to work hard to prove how bad Trump is since the Russia bs has been blowing up in your face for well over a year now and all that's been turned up in that case is evidence to prove that Russia and British intel were colluding with the Clinton campaign to set Trump up on a Russia collusion narrative that's still has zero evidence

you will have to work harder than this to convince any of us that this isn't just another fanatical anti Trump thread with no real shred of evidence to support it other than massive speculation



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults
Anyone that cares about convincing Trump supporters of anything at this point needs a reality check. You guys bend and twist the facts to your liking at every chance.

That doesn’t mean the rest of us have to bury our heads in the sand though.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 04:18 PM
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From the source:



The United States allows U.S. government agencies to purchase and use Chinese information technology products and services


Yeah, good idea. What could go wrong? ^^

I think they are just using Trumps business tactic, "aim high" and hope something sticks.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: Kharron
like you say


What we need to focus on is the evidence. If it is shown he and his company have personally benefited from it, then it's a conflict of interest.

This is why he never should have been allowed to take office until we knew who he was and what his interests really were. When someone has so many business interests and potential agendas, we need to be able to follow the money.


Which actually makes me wonder if all of the bluster, the deceit and daily lies
is nothing other than a distraction, to bamboozle people, to minimize them thinking things through
Stormy, Iran, NK, indictments, FBI searches, contemporaneous books, senate testimonies...

These are just the last 8 installments from Trumpletown....
that ones that spiring to recent memory

The list of "Trump" headlines, however,
is truly mind boggling


That being said, the ... this 'other' ... elephant in the room
whilst being well addressed 18 months ago
has since been ... forgotten (?)... ignored (?)... silenced (!?!)

Think about it :
The Potus, using his postition, for personal gain
is a massive no-no

This would truly be worth a special counsel being called in

People had better not start thinking about Trump like that

Any how, as the OP said :

Carter put his peanut farm in a blind trust.
But did you know that the Republicans then kept tabs on it after the fact?
And because Billy was basically embezzling from the company, the Republicans had a special counsel appointed to investigate whether or not Jimmy Carter was secretly putting money from his own peanut farm into a political slush fund?




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