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‘Real’ Americans are a myth. Don’t you dare buy it.

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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: toms54

Socialism predates Karl Marx. He just codified the concepts in his book.
Ancient Origins of a Modern Debate: Socialism in Plato and Aristotle


Jesuit Communes came before Marx, though Marx was in lock step with the Jesuits in that regard later on. Maybe even employed by Jesuits or was one himself from the similarities.

So? What's your point? We weren't talking about Jesuits. We were talking about Socialists so this sounds to me like a "whataboutism".


Jesuits were practicing Socialism before Marx, you could say they were developing it for him.




posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

I still don't see what that has to do with the topic of my thread.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TinfoilTP

I still don't see what that has to do with the topic of my thread.


You brought up the history of socialism, therefore it is part of the discussion.

What's the matter, don't like where the discussion led to?



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

I just don't see your point. So the Jesuits practiced Socialist ideas. I already showed that Socialist polices go back to Aristotle and Plato, so it isn't surprising that groups that came after them also had Socialist ideas. Government caring for its citizenry isn't exactly a new concept.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

" Even criminals are still American."


Yes they are , in Jail . Our Laws do not Discriminate when it comes to Law Breakers . Your Thought process is Skewed in not seeing how Illogical your stance is on this Topic .l



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Interesting. Do tell.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:30 PM
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Eugene Robinson: If there were ever a more racist, stupid black man that people actually listen to then I'm at my wits end.


Oh, wait.

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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TinfoilTP

I just don't see your point. So the Jesuits practiced Socialist ideas. I already showed that Socialist polices go back to Aristotle and Plato, so it isn't surprising that groups that came after them also had Socialist ideas. Government caring for its citizenry isn't exactly a new concept.


Honestly, I don't know how you have the patience to continue on with these guys.

It's become quite obvious that you have struck a nerve and anything that does not fit their narrow world view must be labeled "unAmerican" or attacked.

Never mind the idea that what makes America great is that we are all American, even when our opinions and beliefs differ from one another.

I suppose that is the beauty of the constitution. It gave us rights that cannot be taken away by those that cannot seem to see past the end of their own noses.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TinfoilTP

I just don't see your point. So the Jesuits practiced Socialist ideas. I already showed that Socialist polices go back to Aristotle and Plato, so it isn't surprising that groups that came after them also had Socialist ideas. Government caring for its citizenry isn't exactly a new concept.



It proves Marx was nothing special. He was probably just a useful tool.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

NOPE.... Believing in liberty for all, as individuals is American. Having the right to believe and speak about those other things is American. Trying to subvert individual liberty and freedom is as anti-American as can be.

They absolutely as Americans have the right to believe it and talk about it. They do not have the right to take away my inalienable rights to practice it.

That's the whole point of the American ideal. Freedom and Liberty for all. Communism and Socialism is the antithesis to the American ideal of freedom and liberty for all.

Being American is agreeing that you can live as individuals any way you want as long as you don't infringe on the rights of other Americans.

The only political party that has it right are the Libertarians.

Jaden



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: introvert

You can tell me about it all day long. I support your right to TELL me ALL about it. I support your right to implement it as an individual.

You do NOT have the right to infringe upon my rights and force me or anyone else to implement it in THEIR lives. That is the antithesis to being American.

Jaden



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


The only political party that has it right are the Libertarians.

Jaden


Name the last Libertarian President.......oh that's right there never has been one.

May as well be talking about the virtues of pixies and fairies and their roll in politics.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: introvert

I'm surprised that ANYONE is willing to put up with you or Krazy... except that we SUPPORT the right to free speech. It unequivocally is UNAMERICAN to support the idea that government has power over the people. The whole premise behind the founding of America is that ALL governmental power is derived from the consent of the governed and that there are essential unalienable rights that the government can NEVER have the authority to suppress.

If you are espousing ideas that attempt to suppress those unalienable rights, there are not equivocations, it IS unamerican. That doesn't mean that you can't speak about those ideas, speaking about them IS American. The ideas themselves are absolutely NOT American...

Jaden



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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You do NOT have the right to infringe upon my rights and force me or anyone else to implement it in THEIR lives. That is the antithesis to being American.


It appears you may not have an informed opinion on what America actually is.

The constitution itself gives the government the right to force you to do things. Do you think capitalism pays for the US military, which the constitution grants the right to government to levy taxes for?



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: Carcharadon

Lol you know...after reading your rants on several threads now...I'm starting to think you're either like 12 years old or possibly.....



This guy....



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

Keep pushing for the left, we'll see how long it takes.

Jaden



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: introvert

I'm not the one who doesn't understand. The constitution is a contract that the American people made for the formation of the government.

It doesn't give the government ANY rights. It gives them restrictions and some authority. It also gives enumeration of inalienable rights that the government does NOT have authority to infringe upon. That hasn't stopped them, but it is there none the less.

Again, it is a compact between the people and the government they consented to.

Jaden
edit on 15-5-2018 by Masterjaden because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Keep pushing for the left, we'll see how long it takes.

Jaden


How long it takes for what?



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:53 PM
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It doesn't give the government ANY rights. It gives them restrictions and some authority.


Perhaps you do not know the definition of authority.


the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience.


The US constitution itself gives the government the right to force you to pony-up money for the common good.

At it's most basic roots, that is socialist in nature.

Yes, we all have rights that cannot be infringed upon, but it appears you do not understand the constitution or the government it created.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Unless you were not born in America.

I’m not sure you can be a socialist and grow up in America, I think what you mean to say is that you read some books about socialism and it sounds like a good idea.

But unless you are living a socialist lifestyle in a special community, then you are just saying that you think it sounds good.



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