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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: toms54

Socialism predates Karl Marx. He just codified the concepts in his book.
Ancient Origins of a Modern Debate: Socialism in Plato and Aristotle


Jesuit Communes came before Marx, though Marx was in lock step with the Jesuits in that regard later on. Maybe even employed by Jesuits or was one himself from the similarities.

So? What's your point? We weren't talking about Jesuits. We were talking about Socialists so this sounds to me like a "whataboutism".
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Masterjaden

Of course they didn't exist, but that doesn't mean you are correct. Our founding fathers made our country with the intention that its political ideals can evolve with the changing populace's ideas. So you are 100% wrong. You may not like Socialism or Communism, but a Socialist or a Communist is every bit as American as you are.


Uh no. The Founding Fathers understood the perils of uninformed mob rule, that's why we are a Constitutional Republic and not a Democratic Republic. Socialism and Communism are the antithesis of freedom. You place too much power in the hands of government.


That's your opinion and you are entitled to hold it. I disagree and am entitled to my opinion that Socialism aligns with the Constitution. That is what being American is. The freedom to hold and express any political opinion you want.


You need to read the federalist papers the founding fathers went to great lengths to make sure the government couldn't be socialist. For example ever wonder why public schools are paid for by local taxes? It's because the constitution doesn't allow the federal government to pay for it. Many things have to be payed locally including roads the federal government cannot build a road that cannot be used to transport mail from one post office to another.

The founding fathers set many restrictions making sure the federal government could not infringe on the individual or local communities.

You are the second person to cite the federalist papers and tell me I need to read them. So I'll do what I did to the last person who lazily tried to do this. Quote me sections of the papers that outline why Socialism isn't compatible with our Constitution.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 01:53 PM
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I AM a REAL AMERICAN.

Also, so is Hulk Hogan, and also all the little Hulkamaniacs.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Masterjaden

Of course they didn't exist, but that doesn't mean you are correct. Our founding fathers made our country with the intention that its political ideals can evolve with the changing populace's ideas. So you are 100% wrong. You may not like Socialism or Communism, but a Socialist or a Communist is every bit as American as you are.


No they are not. Socialism and Communism are anathema to what the USA has always stood for. If a person is a communist or a socialist they are American in name only.

As with Islam those 2 disgusting and murderous ideologies are completely incompatible with American values. And no I'm sorry but communism and socialism will never be considered "evolution" of the government.

Both of these ideologies would be a de-evolution of government. Take your murderous demagoguery somewhere else. I hear Cuba and Venezuela are beautiful this time of year(bring food and toilet paper).

Plenty of places on this planet where you can live under your vaunted Communist/Socialist utopias. Go there and prosper lol. Well not prosper but scratch out a living as a slave/peasant.

Sorry not sorry.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Krazy, my biggest concern would be significant concentration of power and the potential for civil rights abuses we often see accompanying it. What system would be in place to ensure such abuse did not occur? What penalties would government face for malfeasance or intentionally infringing on someone's Constitutional rights?

For instance, we presently have an array of institutions and Constitutional protections. I'll use the second amendment as an example, which is essentially a last resort to this type of tyranny or persecution. In addition, we have State & Local law enforcement, National Guard and of course a national military that is sworn to uphold the Constitution.

I'm not saying our current system of government properly holds the government accountable, I am just curious how socialism as a political system would address things like government overreach or civil rights abuses


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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: NightFlight
Interestingly, he doesn't go back in history to the roaring 20's and 30's when organized crime was exclusively Italian. The FBI was deporting quite a few of capo's and even Godfathers back to Italy and Sicily. Of course they were "redeemed" by the OSS in World War 2.

But I digress. Complaining about the laws and EO's that President Trump initiates to get rid of un-American activities like the condemnation of our present form of Constitutional government by the socialists and communists of today, I think is the right thing to do, no matter who is hurt, jailed or removed from this country. I think that maybe you are not very aged and have not seen the people espousing the violent overthrow of this country. I have and did and read the literature.

History is very important. When I was five years old, I stepped on a yellow jacket nest and was stung 20 times. Now, in my 60's I still avoid yellow jacket nests. This country is best to avoid people who want to change our Constitutional government...

Speaking of history, McCarthism is HIGHLY derided and frowned upon these days.


And yet you and your leftist comrades have been doing nothing but resurrecting McCarthyism these past 18 months. If its frowned upon why do you and your comrades continuously engage in It?

Oh let me guess, it's because YOU guys are right and that makes it totes justified right?
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: theatreboy





Maybe that is what you misunderstand: We all know socialism has been creeping in to America for the last 100+ years. But what you fail to realize it that we do not like it that way. That is not how America was founded. Those are not the ideals that proppelled this nation to create, invent, and become a world everyone dreamed of coming to, to have a chance at making a better life for their families.


I forget...was slavery a commie thing or socialist?



Slavery knows no religious, political or cultural restrictions. It's been practiced on every square inch of this planet with no common factor other than humans.

I know that you and your leftist friends like to think slavery was a white, European thing.....it isn't.

Slavery predates the rise of Europe by thousands of years.
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Well you are right, but at the same time too much decentralized power leads to problems, infighting, and chaos. This is why I advocate for Democratic Socialism. It is a balance where we agree on certain aspects of life being taken care of with Socialism, but we maintain many other freedoms that Socialism would strip away.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: NightFlight
Interestingly, he doesn't go back in history to the roaring 20's and 30's when organized crime was exclusively Italian. The FBI was deporting quite a few of capo's and even Godfathers back to Italy and Sicily. Of course they were "redeemed" by the OSS in World War 2.

But I digress. Complaining about the laws and EO's that President Trump initiates to get rid of un-American activities like the condemnation of our present form of Constitutional government by the socialists and communists of today, I think is the right thing to do, no matter who is hurt, jailed or removed from this country. I think that maybe you are not very aged and have not seen the people espousing the violent overthrow of this country. I have and did and read the literature.

History is very important. When I was five years old, I stepped on a yellow jacket nest and was stung 20 times. Now, in my 60's I still avoid yellow jacket nests. This country is best to avoid people who want to change our Constitutional government...

Speaking of history, McCarthism is HIGHLY derided and frowned upon these days.


And yet you and your leftist comrades have been doing nothing but resurrecting McCarthyism these past 18 months. If its frowned upon why do you and your comrades continuously engage in It?

Oh let me guess, it's because YOU guys are right spots like totes justified right?

*eyeroll*. Thanks for demonstrating your partisan idiocy. Going by this post and your dumbass first post I can see that talking to you further would be a waste of time.
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: olaru12


ATS is just a bunch of trolls playing a silly game of "I won" "I won" deal with it.


Sorry for that


There is no real purpose to doing so. I think a lot are angry at the perception of politics invading our supposedly sacrosanct justice system. Even worse, most of us complaining now were entirely silent when it was being done to others

So where do we go from here?


I don't know. I've made arrangements to GTFO to Arruba if the shtf. I can see how it could blow up real big, real fast, if the economy goes south. Desperate people do desperate things.

SA is the buzz word eh?


You should leave now. Get ahead of the game. Take a couple million like minded leftists with you.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

So if the king owns everything that's socialist? In a monarchy the king IS the state.

Sure, there were elements of socialism in the world before Marx. There were instances of communal ownership. Socialism as a coherent philosophy was created by Marx. No one believes that Plato and Aristotle invented communism. That's just crazy.

Once the idea is formulated you look back in hindsight. That looks like communism. This seems socialistic. Early Christians held everything in common. Jesus must have been a communist. But no one would ever have said this before Marx.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Masterjaden
You may not like Socialism or Communism, but a Socialist or a Communist is every bit as American as you are.


You're off the deep end KrazySh0t. That is absolutely the most absurd statement I've ever read on ATS. I'll add too, it's just plain ignorant if you believe it!

What is "not knowing or uninformed" about this statement since you are deeming to call it ignorant?


Just imagine if we were all living in a communist country now, we wouldn't even be allowed to have this conversation. It would be censored or you'd be arrested.

Go to China.

Communism is an economic principle. What occurs in China and the occurred in the USSR is a bastardization of Communism. Just because countries misused the concept doesn't mean it isn't compatible with our values.


Ah there it is!! I was waiting for this idiotic statement from someone. More than a little surprised it took this many pages to get the "that's not real communism garbage statement.

What a load of revisionist garbage.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:46 PM
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Well it's an opinion peice...

From a virtue signalling black WaPo journalist.
I'm sure he has a completely unbiased opinion on this particular subject.

Wonder if he knows he's part of the problem?



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash
The part about Communism I don't like much is that it doesn't ever work...

The part about Capitalism I don't like much is that I need more money...


Communism could work though! The problem is that "real communism has never been attempted, just a bastardized version of it.

Don't worry the next group of murderous butcher's have the answer. Their communism is the real communism and it will totally work this time. And if not this time, FOR SURE it will next time.

Or maybe the time after that.

All I know is that we have to keep trying and if it takes another 100 million dead that's a small price to pay. Even if it takes a billion dead itll be worth it, cant make an omellette without cracking some eggs right?

/sarc



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: JAY1980

That's a rather weak attempt to dismiss the points in the article. Slander the source like that logically means his points are invalid or something. Yeah no. Try again.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: NightFlight
Interestingly, he doesn't go back in history to the roaring 20's and 30's when organized crime was exclusively Italian. The FBI was deporting quite a few of capo's and even Godfathers back to Italy and Sicily. Of course they were "redeemed" by the OSS in World War 2.

But I digress. Complaining about the laws and EO's that President Trump initiates to get rid of un-American activities like the condemnation of our present form of Constitutional government by the socialists and communists of today, I think is the right thing to do, no matter who is hurt, jailed or removed from this country. I think that maybe you are not very aged and have not seen the people espousing the violent overthrow of this country. I have and did and read the literature.

History is very important. When I was five years old, I stepped on a yellow jacket nest and was stung 20 times. Now, in my 60's I still avoid yellow jacket nests. This country is best to avoid people who want to change our Constitutional government...

Speaking of history, McCarthism is HIGHLY derided and frowned upon these days.


And yet you and your leftist comrades have been doing nothing but resurrecting McCarthyism these past 18 months. If its frowned upon why do you and your comrades continuously engage in It?

Oh let me guess, it's because YOU guys are right spots like totes justified right?

*eyeroll*. Thanks for demonstrating your partisan idiocy. Going by this post and your dumbass first post I can see that talking to you further would be a waste of time.


Keep whining comrade. I love your daily cryfest on here, it nourishes my soul when I see leftist maggots still crying and reeeeing after 18 months.

I truly do love it. Every second of it. It makes me extremely happy to see leftist insanity getting dismantled at every turn and the resultant hand wringing and pearl clutching that inevitably follows.

I look forward to your daily gnashing of teeth tomorrow. I'll have my cup ready to catch your leftist tears comrade.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: Carcharadon

Exactly. What happened in China, Russia, and so many other places WAS communism. It just wasn't his idea of communism. Which is probably some idealized dream of a utopia that could never work in the real world. Of course everyone that says this are far smarter than the ones that went before.

Must every country in the world go through every possible permutation before it's acknowledged that this just does not work? Will it take another 100 million + deaths?


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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Dumbest post I've ever read in my entire life. The only rhetoric I've been hearing since election is that you're un-american or literally part of the Kremlin if you support Trump. In fact, the left who not more than a few years ago took pride in being less "Patriotic" are now parroting themselves as true patriots. It's a joke, and so are you.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: LiberLegit

Where are these triggered righties coming out of the woodwork coming from? If you'd pull your head out of your ass for a second instead of rushing to insult me, you'd realize that my OP applies to people on the left doing the same. Plus don't pretend like the right isn't guilty of playing the patriotism card.




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