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‘Real’ Americans are a myth. Don’t you dare buy it.

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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So that justifies her opinion then?


I’m just pointing out that she is not the kind of elite she is deriding, so comparing them seems silly.

But I completely agree with your main point, though I’m not sure you why you’d insinuate people are less American for doing so. Up until then you had a good point.

I don't really believe it. You have every right to call someone unamerican or traitorous for expressing their opinions, I just want to put things in perspective a bit.




posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
I guess you could say weather someone lives in North America or South America they are American .But I am Canaukisstan .My family tree goes all the way back to the Tower of Babel incident . Israel does not ...just saying


Well, until you realize many of the citizens there have ties to the ancient tribe of Judah...



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Commies are as un American as can be.

Socialism is un American, no room for argument.

Benedict Arnold was the first American traitor, it is very American to decry treason.

MAGA is todays apple pie and Chevrolet.


I am a socialist and just as "American" as you or anyone else.

Good thing about freedom...we each can have our own opinions. You can call me unAmerican for being socialist and I can tell you where you can stick your ignorance.

Beautiful thing, isn't it?


I am having my way while you can never fully have yours in America, easy to live with on this end.


Having your way? Are you a teenage girl?

I think I'm doing just fine.

But thanks anyway.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: 35Foxtrot

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Masterjaden

Of course they didn't exist, but that doesn't mean you are correct. Our founding fathers made our country with the intention that its political ideals can evolve with the changing populace's ideas. So you are 100% wrong. You may not like Socialism or Communism, but a Socialist or a Communist is every bit as American as you are.


Ummm.

No.

Communism (and to a lesser extent, Socialism, at least as it’s been practiced in the 20th and early 21st centuries) is very much antithetical to the ideals our founding fathers set forth in the Declaration of Liberty, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I think you’re maybe misinformed. At least I hope so.

Otherwise you’re being intellectually dishonest; as is the author of that opinion piece.

Prove it. Saying, "ummm no" doesn't make you magically correct.


I'm not going to post links to how communism (and to a lesser extent, Socialism) has been practiced in the last almost 100 years.

It’s pretty much common knowledge to anyone with half a brain. As is how diametrically opposed such philosophies are to the founding principles of the United States.

The fact you went after the “umm no” preamble to my main post, speaks volumes.

I’ll need to reassess my belief that you just made a simple error or that you were sorely misinformed.

I’ll go with intellectual dishonesty from now on with you.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: theatreboy





Maybe that is what you misunderstand: We all know socialism has been creeping in to America for the last 100+ years. But what you fail to realize it that we do not like it that way. That is not how America was founded. Those are not the ideals that proppelled this nation to create, invent, and become a world everyone dreamed of coming to, to have a chance at making a better life for their families.


I forget...was slavery a commie thing or socialist?



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Patriotism and nationalism have two sides to them. One side is healthy, the other is not.

It is healthy to love your country.

It is not healthy to suggest that loving a country can be achieved by someone who believes that his people are the chosen ones, and only they may reap the rewards of living. Despite every protestation I have ever seen conjured by such a person, the only thing that the existence of those who use their love of country as a shield against righteous criticism of their actions and their ideals, can ever achieve, is division, segregation, and eventually murder.

People who claim to love their country and are honest in saying so, desire unity between people, across racial, religious, sexual and gender divides, and hold others to account when their rhetoric is damaging, when their actions are not born of love, but instead of hate.

People who love their country, TRUE patriots, do not think that their nation is being invaded, unless there are enemy planes in the sky, enemy tanks trundling up the beaches, enemy ships sailing off the coasts. True patriotism also prevents exceptionalism, because really loving a country, means being able to accept its faults GENUINELY, and with remorse. It means being willing to correct those mistakes, and crucially being correct about what those mistakes were in the first place.

For example, true British patriots recongise that the empire was a bad idea, that too many of our ancestors fought and died to rid the nation of the empires of old, for any of their descendants to dirty either their hands, or the name of this great country, by building one ourselves. The people who built the British Empire were about a business that they should never have undertaken. They recognise that empires are owned only by tyrants, that no empire that has ever existed in the history of Earth was benevolent, and that spreading the plague with which the Romans infected our land, is a disgraceful act, for which we should atone as a nation.

British patriots, as opposed to hatriots, understand that our nations behaviour in recent decades is without question, evil, sadistic, and calculatedly cruel, and wish to unmake the structure which supports the continuing evils done in our name and under our flag. British patriots, do not hate people who find themselves on our doorstep as a direct result of western meddling in nations far away, but support those who have been victimised by our government, since it has to be said, that British people who love their country have more in common with people who have been caught up in war we created, than the British people have with the leadership who create the calamities which effect us all.

There is nothing patriotic about wanting your country to be ethnocentric. There is nothing patriotic about wanting your country to ban certain demographics from entering its territory. There is nothing patriotic about being irresponsible when it comes to failing to prevent your government from becoming so powerful that the people cannot steer it when needed, but refusing also to deal with the consequences of that failure with humility and acceptance.

In this modern era, even with all our learning, our access to accurate historical data, even with all the advancement that some of our species has undergone in the last hundred years, STILL we have people failing to take responsibility for their failures. When my government fails me, or fails other members of my society, I must, my family must, my community must take responsibility for its failures. It is our job as citizens to ensure that our government is constructed of compassionate people, who refuse to compromise when it comes to ethical treatment of those from other nations, who refuse to compromise on people getting rewarded for their time at work, not just made slaves by necessity! If we fail in that task, then we take on responsibilities attendant to the fallout of that failure, as we DAMNED WELL SHOULD!

Patriots already know that there are responsibilities one cannot shirk, and they refuse point blank to allow anyone to dissuade them from their just and noble path, or fool themselves into believing such things to be evidence of weakness, when they are in fact the most elemental and essential strength of a nation, not its weakness!



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: Lab4Us
Straw man much?

And how is that a strawman? Those are real articles and real quotes of Trump and Fox News calling people traitors and unamerican.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: theatreboy





Maybe that is what you misunderstand: We all know socialism has been creeping in to America for the last 100+ years. But what you fail to realize it that we do not like it that way. That is not how America was founded. Those are not the ideals that proppelled this nation to create, invent, and become a world everyone dreamed of coming to, to have a chance at making a better life for their families.


I forget...was slavery a commie thing or socialist?



Wow. Going there. Well, as I see it, every race has held other races as slaves. We all share that blame, all our ancestors have been slaves at one point in time.

And I would rather not be a slave to the state as they tell me to be.




posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
‘Real’ Americans are a myth. Don’t you dare buy it.


The most offensive and corrosive idea in our politics today is that some Americans are more “real” than others. Don’t you dare buy it.




This is a great example of how Progressives/Democrats react when they get exposed.

Twist it + Turn it is the theme.

Desperation manifests when they are drawn out of their self-preserved comfort zones.

Sun.Burns hurt 😎🚬




posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

This is the most well thought out post I've ever read from You. It reads as if You've figured out 'American Politics•Post 9/11' Once 'We, The Taxpayer' (peon; serfs) didn't 'rise up' and DEMAND to find out what happened when a bunch of guys w/indestructible Passports; who couldn't fly a Cessna™; took controls of commercial airliners and did maneuvers a 30 year AirForce pilot wouldn't even think about doing w/planes of those sizes, and flew them into buildings, and then We didn't raise a peep when the owner of the fell buildings MADE MONEY on the tragedy...

Oh, the voters voted, and they were heard... Barack Obama this gives those with a (R) a built-in excuse to do NOTHING, not for a FOREIGN BORN PRESIDENT (wasn't Herr Drumpf one of the LOUDEST voices on this?? What happened to the promised 'real copy'? Keep Your taxes PRIVATE, I'd rather see the "real copy" of the birth certificate..)

Now with the GUY WHO RUINED THE USFL™ (and My dream of playing both pro baseball and football) in Orifice, those with a (D) can drag their feet for 8 years....


Who gets rich in these 'lame duck years'?

*When 2 people are arguing about a politician™ there is far more likelihood that these 2 folks arguing have more "In Common" with each-other than that of the politician™ they are arguing about, yet they continue to argue...


"Whatcha gonna do??"------- Common American citizen.

"The American Dream" isn't dead, You just have to go to either Central or South America to achieve it...

Stay Hydrated... (especially when You HAVE TO start growing Your own food. Both out of "necessity" and an allergic reaction to the new poisons that Monsanto™ is squirting on Us....)
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

That has been a tactic of the right in nearly every country ever..


The Nazi’s claimed only the right were “real Germans”.



The kkk claimed only whites were real Americans..


After 911 only those who supported W Bush were real Americans...


That is the oldest of old school conservative tactics.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

So what makes them more American than someone on the left espousing their ideals?

Well , for one thing , they are Not Communist Anarchists . That Alone Tells a Terrible Truth in itself .......



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's art and yes, essentially the same kinda crap from the other "side". But there's more between the lines.

Anyhow. I see those "patriotic" attacks happening on a regular basis in Germany as well. The more critical folks from the left get labelled Anti-Germans rather quickly, just look up the term and have your mind blown with petty adhoms on a more personal level.
Myths like this are essential for any form of propaganda and it's great to see you address the issue, don't get me wrong here.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: 35Foxtrot

I didn't ask you to prove that Socialism has been practiced in this country for the last 100+ years. I already know and affirm that is true. I am asking you to prove that it is incompatible with our country's values.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So what makes them more American than someone on the left espousing their ideals?

Nothing. We are all equally American. That is the point of the thread.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Ok. I see your point now.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: JimNasium

Here is the problem with al the crazy right wing conspiracies and separately 911..


A) There is no real world motivation worth the expense, risk and effort that couldn’t be so easy thousand easier ways..


“Control” is not a real life motivation.. it is a cartoon villian motivation.. people dont spend billions of dollars on something as unspecific as “control”. They have very specific goals when investing Boocoo money in a scheme..

Control or world domination is what lex Luther does things for , because he is fiction.


B) there are ALWAYS easier, less expensive, and less risky ways to achieve the same goal.

Take 911.. we know what American false flags look like from history,Lusitania and the gulf of tonken.

911 is CRAZY overkill. To stoke an American desire for war you could just blow up a few daycare centers... or poison a water treatment plant and kill 20,000 people instantly for a pitence of the price of 911.


C) any group who controls enough of the government to orcastrate 911. Wouldn't need money, because the government prints the money out of thin air and they wouldn’t need to blow up the pentagon to delete files. I’m sure they have a paper shredder and access to the files...



D) they are logistically impossible..

What would it require to pay off all the scientists and maintain the conspiracy to fake global warming??


What would it logistically require to get all the media sources to discredit conservatives and maintain that???


More than American politicians have ever been able to pull off..



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: 35Foxtrot

I didn't ask you to prove that Socialism has been practiced in this country for the last 100+ years. I already know and affirm that is true. I am asking you to prove that it is incompatible with our country's values.


Wow. Thanks!

I notice you failed to quote my reply, but I get it.

If you had, everyone too lazy to scroll up would see that I said “HOW” socialism/communism has been practiced; not that it WAS practiced...

Maybe that’s too nuanced for you?

Intellectual dishonesty again.

Care to refute the bulk of my post? You know, the part mentioning how communism and socialism are diametrically opposed to our founding principles??

Thought not.

Here’s a link to get you started...

Communism vs Republic

I’ll assume you can read and have the basic knowledge to understand HOW the communist ideals differ from AMERICAN ones.


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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:42 AM
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There's really no reason to point out hypocrisy and double standards, a partisan tool has lost his/her ability to rationalize already.




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