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‘Real’ Americans are a myth. Don’t you dare buy it.

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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

What are you talking about? Did you not read the OP? First, where did I say anyone who expresses these opinions isn't allowed to say them? Second, the whole POINT of the thread is say that opinions like this are flawed and more unamerican than whatever the person being labeled unamerican/traitorous is doing.




posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Yet they needed to form a framework to protect individual rights and freedoms.


And that framework protects differing beliefs, no matter what anyone thinks of them.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t





[...]
The powers that be even offered up reprieves
Told us they ain't take us out if we bow to our knees
But they can give that to the kings and the queens
And the worshipers of idols and followers of things
'Cause I would rather be in the jungle with the savages
It's kill or be killed, and I'm working with the averages
My professor emeritus
Say we been cursed being brought to the AmeriKKKas
How you raise a whole human single parent
No marriages, no sense of heritage?
Planned Parenthood helping plan miscarriages
But I'm lucky mommy already had a narrative
Product of a teenage love, my arrogance
Derives from the pride in the job my parents did
Named Mike, I was told it was godlike
Even danced with the devil, came out alright
Okay, honor y'all? No way
Still spell AmeriKKKa with the triple K
[...]


Real AmeriKKKans obviously feel the need to exclude others, which fits the definition of fascism in my textbook. And that's the elephant in the room right there.
Kinda funny in a sad way though. Those ridiculous fools really seem to think, that they're eligible to speak for a whole nation in the first place. Who's outta touch again? Are they not aware, that only roughly a quarter of the US population actually gave this a shot with their vote? Or could that be the real reason why they feel the urge to raise a loud voice in the first place?
Fear and Loathing in the Lobby, eh?





posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

What are you babbling about? Who is excluding who here with rhetoric like "AmeriKKKans"? I think you should look in a mirror and examine your own rhetoric before talking about others.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:48 AM
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America is just a spot on the map.

Freedom, liberty, should live everywhere.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Of course people on the right can be elite, but Mercedes Schlapp specifically said “leftist media elite”.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So that justifies her opinion then?



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: NightFlight

I stepped on a nest of wasp and got stung dozens of times too when I was about 4 or 5...

And Im very cautious to not let any of them touch me to this day.

I remember crying and I didn't know to run cuz I was on a tall ladder and they kept stinging me over and over. I stood there for like 10 minutes till my brother ran back to the farm house and got my uncle who ran out and lifted me off the ladder.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Essentially, its a "No Real Scotsman" fallacy, and is proven to be bad logic.




posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
What America needs is a Czar of American Belief to make sure the proper protocols are followed and adhered to.

Those Native Americans and their heathen ways need to be eradicated.


I'm your huckleberry.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
And speaking of attacks on the President, birtherism was a good example of sustained attacks against a sitting President.



Hillary started the birtherism in her first try to be woman POTUS.

Fake News


Obama then hired her to be SOS, so he didn't have any problem with it so why should anyone else?

Because you just lied about the past.


Nope you cannot rewrite history to fit your narrative.


In 2007, a full year before anyone would know the name Orly Taitz, Hillary's chief campaign strategist Mark Penn would craft a wide-ranging strategy memo that included questioning the very American-ness of then-Senator Barack Obama, who was even then seen as Hillary's chief rival for the nomination.

The Atlantic:


[Penn] wrote, “I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values.” Penn proposed targeting Obama’s “lack of American roots.”

The Daily Telegraph's 2011 article: "The Birther Row Began With Hillary":


It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs. Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii.

3. Hillary Clinton's Own Campaign Distributes Obama-Is-A-Scary-Muslim Emails

PolitiFact:


In the fall of 2007, it was clear that Clinton was losing ground in Iowa. The presumptive front runner was vulnerable and people in the campaign knew it. On Dec. 5, 2007, the online magazine Politico posted the text of an email that had been forwarded by Judy Rose, the volunteer chair of the Clinton campaign in Jones County Iowa on Nov. 21, 2007. The email was a quintessential smear that offered a distorted biography of Obama’s early years. Rose offered no commentary on it. She simply passed it along.

"Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim," the email said, and it ended with, "The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States , one of their own!!!!"



Source


The new Hillary campaign had surrogates at all the Fake fact check Leftwing political advocates pump out propaganda distorting the facts of history, you seem to either have fallen for it or only believe what strokes your bias, which was their goal.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Yet they needed to form a framework to protect individual rights and freedoms.


And that framework protects differing beliefs, no matter what anyone thinks of them.


And real Americans can call out Commies for being un American, protected also.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Masterjaden

Explain in detail and using text from the federalist papers how Socialism (something that has been part of American politics for the past 100+ years) isn't compatible with our Constitution since you are trying to position yourself as such an authority on them.


Maybe that is what you misunderstand: We all know socialism has been creeping in to America for the last 100+ years. But what you fail to realize it that we do not like it that way. That is not how America was founded. Those are not the ideals that proppelled this nation to create, invent, and become a world everyone dreamed of coming to, to have a chance at making a better life for their families.

As this socialism has crept in, you can see hoe the divisions have grown. We are know at a point where the "tolerent" left doesn't like what they hear, they vilify it. So obviously, Socialism can not live with American ideals...and those of us who supported President Trump, supported him for the fact that he stands against Socialism with us.

That does not mean we don't want to help those who need a temporary hand. That does not mean we won't help those who have set backs...we will gladly help our neighbors. What we don't want to do, is to take from all the hard working Americans to give it to those who won't try on their own. We don't want to be taxed so our money that we worked hard for is taken and given to those who come illegally to this country. But we will gladly take a family who has gone through the proper steps to legally come here and work as hard as us. And yes, we want to see ALL Americans who can work, have the opportunity to woork and provide for their families and themselves....Damn it feels SO good to have what I have earned. I know it sounds crazy.

So to recap if you made it this far:

Socialism does not, and will not, want to abide with American ideals. So, the vast majority of Americans in this great Democratic Republic of the United States want it gone.

MAGA



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
And real Americans can call out Commies for being un American, protected also.


And Communists can tell Capitalists they're un-American. Round and round.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Essentially, its a "No Real Scotsman" fallacy, and is proven to be bad logic.


That's a good point. It certainly is a logical fallacy. That actually slipped my mind and I'm usually one who really likes to call out logical fallacies. Heh. Good call.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So that justifies her opinion then?


I’m just pointing out that she is not the kind of elite she is deriding, so comparing them seems silly.

But I completely agree with your main point, though I’m not sure you why you’d insinuate people are less American for doing so. Up until then you had a good point.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Masterjaden

Of course they didn't exist, but that doesn't mean you are correct. Our founding fathers made our country with the intention that its political ideals can evolve with the changing populace's ideas. So you are 100% wrong. You may not like Socialism or Communism, but a Socialist or a Communist is every bit as American as you are.


Ummm.

No.

Communism (and to a lesser extent, Socialism, at least as it’s been practiced in the 20th and early 21st centuries) is very much antithetical to the ideals our founding fathers set forth in the Declaration of independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I think you’re maybe misinformed. At least I hope so.

Otherwise you’re being intellectually dishonest; as is the author of that opinion piece.
edit on 15/5/18 by 35Foxtrot because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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dammit! I swore I wouldn’t be one of those “double post” apologists!

Sorry! Double post.
edit on 15/5/18 by 35Foxtrot because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: theatreboy
Maybe that is what you misunderstand: We all know socialism has been creeping in to America for the last 100+ years. But what you fail to realize it that we do not like it that way. That is not how America was founded. Those are not the ideals that proppelled this nation to create, invent, and become a world everyone dreamed of coming to, to have a chance at making a better life for their families.

That doesn't make any sense because America became a world leader while Socialism was at its strongest point in American history.


As this socialism has crept in, you can see hoe the divisions have grown. We are know at a point where the "tolerent" left doesn't like what they hear, they vilify it. So obviously, Socialism can not live with American ideals...and those of us who supported President Trump, supported him for the fact that he stands against Socialism with us.

That does not mean we don't want to help those who need a temporary hand. That does not mean we won't help those who have set backs...we will gladly help our neighbors. What we don't want to do, is to take from all the hard working Americans to give it to those who won't try on their own. We don't want to be taxed so our money that we worked hard for is taken and given to those who come illegally to this country. But we will gladly take a family who has gone through the proper steps to legally come here and work as hard as us. And yes, we want to see ALL Americans who can work, have the opportunity to woork and provide for their families and themselves....Damn it feels SO good to have what I have earned. I know it sounds crazy.

That's just your political opinion. I disagree. That doesn't make me a traitor or unamerican though.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: 35Foxtrot

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Masterjaden

Of course they didn't exist, but that doesn't mean you are correct. Our founding fathers made our country with the intention that its political ideals can evolve with the changing populace's ideas. So you are 100% wrong. You may not like Socialism or Communism, but a Socialist or a Communist is every bit as American as you are.


Ummm.

No.

Communism (and to a lesser extent, Socialism, at least as it’s been practiced in the 20th and early 21st centuries) is very much antithetical to the ideals our founding fathers set forth in the Declaration of Liberty, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I think you’re maybe misinformed. At least I hope so.

Otherwise you’re being intellectually dishonest; as is the author of that opinion piece.

Prove it. Saying, "ummm no" doesn't make you magically correct.



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