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‘Real’ Americans are a myth. Don’t you dare buy it.

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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

EXACTLY! It's pretty telling all the people coming in and whining about Socialism and Communism not being American without even thinking about what they are saying.


That's what happens when you raise mamby pambies who cannot deal with adversity or differences.




posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:24 AM
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The problem is a certain subset believe "white" and "republican" are the beginning and end of what it means to be a real American.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Agree with a lot in your post Krazy. For starters:


Our founding fathers didn't fight and die so that we can rip each other apart like this.


This is the one thing that stands above all else to me.

However, the current rounds of attacks stem from the fact that ~30% of our population is *still* attacking our President with entirely unfounded Russian conspiracy theory BS. How can anyone expect us not to fire back with our own unfounded BS?

Where do we agree? That this isn't healthy for our nation. In fact, I'd wager that we're a lot closer to a civil conflict than most want to admit.

But you're right, holding left vs right ideology doesn't make you less an American. Spreading false criminal allegations for political gain does. But not simply holding different views.

For instance, the fact a lot of Republicans have no interest in progressives or democracy does not mean we're un-American or traitors as the folks over @ DU like to claim...



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

To cut through the rhetoric, there was a definitive 'America' and 'American'.

That has been eroded over the decades and at an ever increasing speed. Trump, and others have merely tapped into that frustration. The pendulum is swinging back. Has some taken it too far? Arguably.

The hope is a balance point is eventually reached rather than more and more extreme swings. From my point of view, the nation is close to dissolution. the Federal level is pushing to restore the original intent, hopefully, and many States are doing the exact opposite.

As you ignore the other side of the coin and what caused this swing, your OP ignores that any restoration requires that swing to the right, at least temporarily.

This is a 'war'. Ideological, rather than physical. There will be collateral damage. Try supporting Germany or Japan during WWII on a vocal basis and you'd be locked up in a heartbeat. In the ideological war, merely 'labelled' an adversary.

Hopefully, if we survive it, amends can be made on both sides.

Reality. Deal with it.....that's all we've really been asking from the get go.....



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:26 AM
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nvm
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: crtrvt

No, it isn't. My Muslim neighbors are real Americans. The gay friends my girls hang out with are REAL Americans. *You* are a real American. Krazy is a real American. I am a real American.

We just disagree on a handful of issues that *appear* important. If we simply agreed to disagree, not attack one another's Constitutional rights and focused on the issues we agree on what a difference it would make.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes they are American citizens, that does not mean that their beliefs and ideas are American.

Jaden



What America needs is a Czar of American Belief to make sure the proper protocols are followed and adhered to.

Those Native Americans and their heathen ways need to be eradicated.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Masterjaden


Having differing beliefs is American, otherwise their wouldn't have been an America or a Fedrelist and anti-Fedrealist Party.






Yet they needed to form a framework to protect individual rights and freedoms. Those protected freedoms are not on the chopping block they are off limits and for good reason. Commies and Socialists can live in their pretend world amongst real Americans peacefully but they can never have their way while the Constitution exists.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: Masterjaden

Explain in detail and using text from the federalist papers how Socialism (something that has been part of American politics for the past 100+ years) isn't compatible with our Constitution since you are trying to position yourself as such an authority on them.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Especially by socialists and communists...



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Masterjaden

Of course they didn't exist, but that doesn't mean you are correct. Our founding fathers made our country with the intention that its political ideals can evolve with the changing populace's ideas. So you are 100% wrong. You may not like Socialism or Communism, but a Socialist or a Communist is every bit as American as you are.


Thus explains a lot about your belief system!

Before I forget to address your OP, it has become quite clear over the last 18 months who the real bullies in America are. In fact, look at this thread. The only ones threatening anyone are the socialists, the liberals. The shut down of free speech on college campuses - liberals. The labeling as hate speech anything with which they disagree - liberals. So by deduction, if you don’t even believe in the FIRST amendment to the US Constitution, I really think you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself if you truly are an American. Americans, after all, would support the US Constitution and Bill of Rights their entire country was founded on!



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Commies are as un American as can be.

Socialism is un American, no room for argument.

Benedict Arnold was the first American traitor, it is very American to decry treason.

MAGA is todays apple pie and Chevrolet.


I am a socialist and just as "American" as you or anyone else.

Good thing about freedom...we each can have our own opinions. You can call me unAmerican for being socialist and I can tell you where you can stick your ignorance.

Beautiful thing, isn't it?


I am having my way while you can never fully have yours in America, easy to live with on this end.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Krazysh0t
However, the current rounds of attacks stem from the fact that ~30% of our population is *still* attacking our President with entirely unfounded Russian conspiracy theory BS. How can anyone expect us not to fire back with our own unfounded BS?

Criminal investigations aren't "attacks". Don't misinterpret the FBI doing its job as an attack. Because if you do, then I can just as easily say the same about the countless Hillary Clinton investigations we sat through during Obama's Presidency. And speaking of attacks on the President, birtherism was a good example of sustained attacks against a sitting President.


Where do we agree? That this isn't healthy for our nation. In fact, I'd wager that we're a lot closer to a civil conflict than most want to admit.

But you're right, holding left vs right ideology doesn't make you less an American. Spreading false criminal allegations for political gain does. But not simply holding different views.

Spreading false criminal allegations get rooted out and proven so through investigations. That is their purpose.


For instance, the fact a lot of Republicans have no interest in progressives or democracy does not mean we're un-American or traitors as the folks over @ DU like to claim...

True, but most of the people slinging the "unamerican" or "traitor" rhetoric are on the right.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:35 AM
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Or , are you a figment of my imagination to provide a belly shake laugh every now and then ?
I think , therefore you are .
Glad to see you are still around Krazy. Gives my life purpose here on ATS.
No devil this time.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
And speaking of attacks on the President, birtherism was a good example of sustained attacks against a sitting President.



Hillary started the birtherism in her first try to be woman POTUS.

Obama then hired her to be SOS, so he didn't have any problem with it so why should anyone else?
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:37 AM
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I guess you could say weather someone lives in North America or South America they are American .But I am Canaukisstan .My family tree goes all the way back to the Tower of Babel incident . Israel does not ...just saying



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: Masterjaden

Naw he's not crazy, he's just on the opposite end of the political spectrum from me, and I'm ok with that I don't want to live in a world where everyone thinks like me that would be very boring.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
And speaking of attacks on the President, birtherism was a good example of sustained attacks against a sitting President.



Hillary started the birtherism in her first try to be woman POTUS.

Fake News


Obama then hired her to be SOS, so he didn't have any problem with it so why should anyone else?

Because you just lied about the past.
edit on 15-5-2018 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)




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