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‘Real’ Americans are a myth. Don’t you dare buy it.

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posted on May, 20 2018 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
‘Real’ Americans are a myth. Don’t you dare buy it.
This morning Eugene Robinson wrote a very compelling opinion article on WaPo about what it means to be American. Lately, many on the right led by Donald Trump are trying to define who and who isn't American. Some are even going as far as to say that certain segments of Americans are traitorous depending on the beliefs they espouse. Well this article, and myself are arguing that those VERY arguments are more unamerican than any political belief someone may hold. Our country was founded to bring together and give equal weight to any political idea. Not bully people into agreeing with their politics.

The most offensive and corrosive idea in our politics today is that some Americans are more “real” than others. Don’t you dare buy it.

Republicans are cynically peddling this un-American conceit. “Real Americans” elected and continue to support President Trump, they claim, in defiance of snooty “coastal elites” who are hopelessly out of touch with the country. It’s a total crock, and shame on those using it for political gain.

The whole point of democracy is that every citizen’s voice is supposed to have equal weight — even voices in favor of fair and compassionate immigration policy, universal health care, fighting racism, promoting gender equality, enshrining LGBT rights and other progressive causes. There is no need to be tentative about these views for fear they somehow make you, I suppose, “unreal.” They do not.

He goes on to highlight some hypocrisy from right wing talking heads. Read this and see if you can't see how these two are pots calling the kettle black:

One recent illustration: No group is supposedly more elitist and clueless than the so-called mainstream media. At the media’s biggest social event of the year, last month’s White House Correspondents’ Association dinner, comedian Michelle Wolf made some biting jokes about the Trump administration. Matt Schlapp, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, and his wife, Mercedes, the White House director of strategic communications, conspicuously stood up and walked out.

“It’s why America hates the out of touch leftist media elite,” Mercedes Schlapp harrumphed on Twitter. She sent the tweet while she and her husband were in a limousine, on their way to a glittering after-party thrown each year by NBC.

I know the Schlapps. They are nice people, when not engaged in demagoguery. They live in the Washington area, as I do; they recently purchased a $3 million home, as I certainly did not. Both have advanced college degrees. Matt Schlapp was a top lobbyist for Koch Industries before taking over at the ACU. The couple also founded their own public relations and lobbying firm. How are they anything but “elite,” according to the false dichotomy they espouse? Why are they any more qualified to speak for ostensibly “real” Americans than the journalists they haughtily deride, virtually all of whom are far less affluent?

To put icing on the cake, Mercedes Schlapp reportedly said at a recent White House meeting that “I stand with Kelly Sadler” — referring to the White House aide who said of Sen. John McCain’s opposition to CIA nominee Gina Haspel that “it doesn’t matter, he’s dying anyway.” Schlapp is awfully selective about what she finds offensive.

I'd argue these two are easily rightest elite themselves. So what makes them more American than someone on the left espousing their ideals? Why are they allowed to be elite without shame but someone on the left who is elite needs to be derided? None of this makes any sense, but what I can say is that opinions and slurs along these lines is doing more to tear us apart as a country than it is to unite us and overcome our political differences. There is no such thing as being unamerican just because you hold a certain political belief. That is ridiculous and we shouldn't be stooping to that level. Our founding fathers didn't fight and die so that we can rip each other apart like this. So the next time you want to deploy the "patriotism" angle as a bludgeon against your political enemies stop and think if YOU are the one being unamerican with your rhetoric.


This one is really simple. Born here? Naturalized citizen? Citizen.

There are no slurred lines except for people who wish there to be slurred lines.

Fred..




posted on May, 21 2018 @ 07:19 AM
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a reply to: fredrodgers1960

Which is all very well to say, in EVERY country EXCEPT America, the (and I say this with the utmost respect and admiration for the fact) king of mongrels, the aggregate, the compound nation made of all nations combined. I dare say that there is no nation on the face of this Earth, which has not donated at least one of its members to the United States of America, making America a nation which has the strengths attendant to ALL nations, in one.

The reason that nation exists in that advanced state, is because people can come there from all over the world, and citizen or not, make the place work for them, while working for it, as anyone earning any money or spending it there, surely has. All contribute something to the whole, even those with no papers, even those without identification, even those who have arrived illegally but worked diligently to improve their lot and that of others.

Your country would be nothing if it were not for those who came from outside its borders, to operate, erect, refine, and correct it over the years. Failure to accept it, and remind yourself of it when forming opinions, is a foolish error to make.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 08:51 AM
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Well if you want to find out if your a American there is a very simple way to tell.

You get your Passport or birth certificate and look at the line "country of birth" or in some cases "País de nacimiento" or "país de nascimento". If it lists a country that is in North, Central or south American continent then yes you are a American.

If you want ti find out if you are a US citizen then repeat the steps above and if it says USA under place of birth, then yes you are a US citizen



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit


Your country would be nothing if it were not for those who came from outside its borders, to operate, erect, refine, and correct it over the years.


And if we didn't have borders we wouldn't have a country. If we didn't have rules, we wouldn't have a place where people could prosper. If people don't follow the rules, their contributions are greatly diminished as they're cheating the people who do follow the rules. Failure to accept that and remind yourself of it when forming opinions, is a foolish error to make.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Seriously. Why is this point constantly lost in the mix in this thread and the thread keeps devolving into the merits of left wing policies? The thread isn't about left wing policies and if you approve of them or not. It's about how left wingers and right wingers all have equal right to express their political opinions.


Precisely my thoughts here

I may not agree with specific policies or ideological viewpoints, but everyone is entitled to free speech and I encourage my ideological-opposition to exercise that right as frequently and vocally as possible



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 05:04 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Your nation did more prospering under no laws, than it has ever done under many laws. Your nation had its brightest future, before it started to consider new arrivals as a threat. Your nations best days are behind it, unless there is a return to welcome before prejudice.




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