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‘Real’ Americans are a myth. Don’t you dare buy it.

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posted on May, 16 2018 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

The usual beef is that "no one reads the article I linked!" So I did, and it reads like the typical whine of someone who doesn't like that his ideas and opinions are not valued by everyone in the country and he now feels alienated because of it.

Guess what?

How do you think all those people he is whining about felt for the past 8 years or so?

At some point in this whole process people have forgotten that just because they have an opinion, that it doesn't make them right, including you, but that hasn't stopped anyone from rampaging on about it as if it's gospel, has it?

No one listens, and everyone reduces everything to the worst sort of hyperbole. If I don't want to be collectivized, then I must be calling him un-American for wanting to collectivize everyone. Well that must be it.




posted on May, 16 2018 @ 07:23 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The usual beef is that "no one reads the article I linked!" So I did, and it reads like the typical whine of someone who doesn't like that his ideas and opinions are not valued by everyone in the country and he now feels alienated because of it.

Guess what?

How do you think all those people he is whining about felt for the past 8 years or so?

At some point in this whole process people have forgotten that just because they have an opinion, that it doesn't make them right, including you, but that hasn't stopped anyone from rampaging on about it as if it's gospel, has it?

No one listens, and everyone reduces everything to the worst sort of hyperbole. If I don't want to be collectivized, then I must be calling him un-American for wanting to collectivize everyone. Well that must be it.

Here is the difference between him and you. He is DIRECTLY calling out people who label others as unamerican. If that isn't you then he isn't talking about you. Clearly you want it to be about you so you can take offense to it, so on the other hand when people are labeled racist you pretend like that includes you regardless of whatever you've said or believe. It's really easy to read you and how you want to be persecuted SOOOOO badly. You also seem to believe that everyone operates on a simple black and white scale like you do. That is why you are projecting your persecution complex onto Eugene while ignoring the points he made.

Eugene on the other hand is just talking in general. Calling people unamerican regardless of their political beliefs is wrong. He never said that he is offended for being called unamerican. He is just stating an opinion from what he sees in right wing media.
edit on 16-5-2018 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 07:27 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

No, I am looking at the type of person who gets upset that he gets called un-American.

Do you know how else gets called un-American? I've been called un-American. I've been called racist. I've been called homophobe. I've been called a lot of things. Do you know why? Because I dared to disagree with someone else's opinion. I dared to vote for the other candidate. Because I held positions that didn't agree with someone else's vision of what they thought was *American.*

So this guy can just belly up to the bar and buy a drink. If he's just now discovering that it's unpleasant to be called nasty names for his opinions, then he's late to the party. The main difference between him and me, is that he gets his opinion on the matter published in the WaPo, and mine is posted here on an obscure corner of the internet where fine people like you can sneer at it and call me more names.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

AGAIN his opinion isn't that he is taking offense to being called unamerican (do you even read or just respond to whatever you believe is said in your head?) He is saying that labeling someone unamerican or a traitor is corrosive to political discourse. I'm sure he isn't going to cry himself to sleep over some fool on the internet calling him unamerican. He is trying to point out a bad arguing tactic and help people see that we should be above those antics.

PS: I haven't called you a single name in this thread besides an abbreviation of your screen name. Clearly your persecution complex is at work again; that is unless you feel like being called "ket" is offensive.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I really like that thought. Gradually ending a pyramid scheme, it might be possible.

I am 32, without health insurance, and make $10/hour. I started working full time at 18, part time at 12, and have consistently paid into the system. Not a bad life, imo.

I am lucky in that I have a trailer. I am lucky to have grown up in a poor but functioning household. I am lucky in that I was tough enough to brace my own arm after it broke last year. I have lived on ridicule, poor judgment, and scraps in my short time. I still believe this is better than full on socialism/communism, though. I happen to be well read, due to the lack of tv growing up. The endgame is obvious.

With that said, do you think the younger generation is prepared to bite the bullet and live like me, or do you think they will opt for "bigger government"?

If this sounds condescending, I apologize. I just got off work, but I am honest in my hope that there might be a way to keep this socialist agenda in check.





posted on May, 16 2018 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t
Look, why don't you just go over to Mexico and tell them you are Mexican and you would like their govt to feed clothe and house you and give you food stamps. See how that goes over.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

That is 100% irrelevant to anything I said in this thread.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: ventian
a reply to: ketsuko

I really like that thought. Gradually ending a pyramid scheme, it might be possible.

I am 32, without health insurance, and make $10/hour. I started working full time at 18, part time at 12, and have consistently paid into the system. Not a bad life, imo.

I am lucky in that I have a trailer. I am lucky to have grown up in a poor but functioning household. I am lucky in that I was tough enough to brace my own arm after it broke last year. I have lived on ridicule, poor judgment, and scraps in my short time. I still believe this is better than full on socialism/communism, though. I happen to be well read, due to the lack of tv growing up. The endgame is obvious.

With that said, do you think the younger generation is prepared to bite the bullet and live like me, or do you think they will opt for "bigger government"?

If this sounds condescending, I apologize. I just got off work, but I am honest in my hope that there might be a way to keep this socialist agenda in check.




Now here's the thing, I'm 30 work full time and have since I was 18 except for 4 years in school, through which I also worked. I grew up in a ramshackle hovel which lacked hot water for a while and pretty much started looking after myself when my.mom died of cancer. But I live in a country with healthcare though...so...when I #ed my ankle up a few years ago, I went to to the hospital it was treated properly, i recovered in a couple weeks and paid nothing for it, except for the less than $100 taken off my paycheques to pay medical. Last year a CNC machine hit me in the face at work going 2000 ipm...again I went to the hospital, did not have to pay for it...had my wage paid for the day I took off work by workers comp.

When I worked seasonal jobs I never had to worry about the winter because when I got laid off I would get a few months of ei. Because I had this I was able to not worry about bills and do my own independent technical consulting work while searching for more full time work. This is also why I was able to get my current job. Without that couple of months I would've had to take the first thing that came along instead of being able to get a job in a trade I can learn useful skills and build a career from.

Social programs don't lead to laziness...lazy useless people do.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 09:19 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I always get a kick out of any GOP or other right-wing whatever whining about the "elitist left wing" or such nonsense. As a generalization, the GOP and right wing is orders of magnitude more 'elitist' than the left. By far. It's always easy to figure out what the GOP is up to... just look for what they are whining about the loudest at the moment... it is pretty much guaranteed that that is exactly what the GOP themselves are doing, in spades.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 09:20 AM
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Lol what a joke. The democrats don't want borders and you can't have a country without borders not to mention it was Wapo readers who were shutting down free speech and right wing events recently



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 09:32 AM
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I don't know who the real Americans are -
but I have a pretty good idea of who isn't.
To not be a real American you likely -
- don't support the Constitution
- don't believe in National borders
- don't think individuals will make better choices than you will for them.

Those who seek to impose their ideology are definitely not real Americans.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 10:11 AM
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I agree that invalidation of another person is in direct contradiction to diplomacy, It should be avoided if meaningful progression of agenda is the goal. Obviously this is not the goal of the naysayers both right and left, or the author for that matter.
Propaganda by nature, is a plea to emotional bias. Illustrated by the Herman Goering quote "the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. ". In this way the right wing has pushed its interpretation of "Nationalism" onto its supporters. In the same fashion as "Think of the children" is touted by the left's socalists. Both are propaganda ment to invoke a constructed response to objective tribalism.

Im not here to say who is "correct". If We want to fix our problems, We must set aside our notions of superiority and fictitious victim status. Capitalism without morality is flawed and so is socialism without personal responsibility. The problems we face are real, and are solvable with rational discourse. The digital age which aimed to broaden communication between man has been corrupted. The culture of fear has lead us to isolate in our own algorithm induced echo chambers. Just my thoughts.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Your logic: me wanting to destroy America and make us into a 3rd world country is more American than you wanting to keep us on top!

Give it up, America is even greater than it ever has, get over it. We're about the fly on Mars at the end of Trumps first term. Sorry that hurts you.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

I'm definitely not a real American, I'm a Canadian born first nations, who by blood was given the right to live and work in America and cross the border without passport.

I love America, don't wish to see it destroyed by open doors from 3rd world crap holes, there's enough problems over here.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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Hmmm. If you are an American citizen I would wager that you are by definition a “real American.” No point in reading any further. It’s just somes self flagellation.

a reply to: Krazysh0t



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

That is 100% irrelevant to anything I said in this thread.
I thought it was about deciding what is American and what is not. But I got more stars than usual for my post, so mb it's not so irrelevant after all.


(post by LiberLegit removed for a manners violation)

posted on May, 16 2018 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t
Communism and socialism are not American at all. If it is even considered by a group in this country or even suggested on capital hill it is time to arm ourselves up. I will never ever ever support anything else but a Constitutional Republic. If you think Communism is an evolution of thought and governance you should leave this blessed land. For if its roots even start to seriously take I would suggest leaving as your blood may not be worth the fight. I will spill mine to protect this country and will spill the likes of yours to keep it that way.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I believe the same as Trump and about 90% of other Americans. An American is someone who came here legally. It's really that simple.

Illegals are not American, no matter how much the left tries to spin it as so.



posted on May, 16 2018 @ 05:02 PM
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This is the central argument from the author:

The whole point of democracy is that every citizen’s voice is supposed to have equal weight — even voices in favor of fair and compassionate immigration policy, universal health care, fighting racism, promoting gender equality, enshrining LGBT rights and other progressive causes.


These are the causes people get branded as being unamerican for I take it?

Fair and compassionate immigration policy. What exactly is fair and compassionate? Is he implying we don't have that already? Birthright citizenship, chain migration (family reunification), DACA - those overly-generous policies already exist. Other countries are not so generous as the US but no, we have to do more - always more.

The cost of illegal immigration is staggering, on the order of $50 billion annually. Legal immigration may be even more expensive due to social programs which they use at twice the rate of US citizens of any ethnicity.

Universal Healthcare. Healthcare is not a right, it's a service provided by others. It's expensive and demanding it for everyone requires those with more to pay more to cover those who can't afford it. The American revolution was started over taxes so yes, more taxes = unamerican.

"Fighting racism" - Is racism truly a problem? We live in a country where slavery existed and the worst the media can conjure up is 2 Black men arrested for trespassing in a Starbucks. The best way to end it is as Morgan Freeman said: "stop talking about it".

Promoting gender equality - Another non-issue... We have equality under the law, equal opportunity and equal pay for equal work. Government has addressed these.

Enshrining LGBT rights. What rights is it that they lack? I asked a gay friend and she couldn't answer. Actually their rights are covered by the Constitution, just like hetero-normative people.

What he promotes is an assortment of causes that affect a very narrow spectrum of people, the vast majority of whom aren't even Americans. Wouldn't being a "real American" possibly have something to do with caring about issues that affect all Americans? Like war, debt, taxes, crappy schools, the economy, jobs ?

There is no patriarchal, right-wing society trying to impose their views, it is the Left who is out to impose their beliefs by making criticism of it "hate speech". In a country based on freedom of speech that's one more unamerican concept.




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