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‘Real’ Americans are a myth. Don’t you dare buy it.

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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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‘Real’ Americans are a myth. Don’t you dare buy it.
This morning Eugene Robinson wrote a very compelling opinion article on WaPo about what it means to be American. Lately, many on the right led by Donald Trump are trying to define who and who isn't American. Some are even going as far as to say that certain segments of Americans are traitorous depending on the beliefs they espouse. Well this article, and myself are arguing that those VERY arguments are more unamerican than any political belief someone may hold. Our country was founded to bring together and give equal weight to any political idea. Not bully people into agreeing with their politics.

The most offensive and corrosive idea in our politics today is that some Americans are more “real” than others. Don’t you dare buy it.

Republicans are cynically peddling this un-American conceit. “Real Americans” elected and continue to support President Trump, they claim, in defiance of snooty “coastal elites” who are hopelessly out of touch with the country. It’s a total crock, and shame on those using it for political gain.

The whole point of democracy is that every citizen’s voice is supposed to have equal weight — even voices in favor of fair and compassionate immigration policy, universal health care, fighting racism, promoting gender equality, enshrining LGBT rights and other progressive causes. There is no need to be tentative about these views for fear they somehow make you, I suppose, “unreal.” They do not.

He goes on to highlight some hypocrisy from right wing talking heads. Read this and see if you can't see how these two are pots calling the kettle black:

One recent illustration: No group is supposedly more elitist and clueless than the so-called mainstream media. At the media’s biggest social event of the year, last month’s White House Correspondents’ Association dinner, comedian Michelle Wolf made some biting jokes about the Trump administration. Matt Schlapp, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, and his wife, Mercedes, the White House director of strategic communications, conspicuously stood up and walked out.

“It’s why America hates the out of touch leftist media elite,” Mercedes Schlapp harrumphed on Twitter. She sent the tweet while she and her husband were in a limousine, on their way to a glittering after-party thrown each year by NBC.

I know the Schlapps. They are nice people, when not engaged in demagoguery. They live in the Washington area, as I do; they recently purchased a $3 million home, as I certainly did not. Both have advanced college degrees. Matt Schlapp was a top lobbyist for Koch Industries before taking over at the ACU. The couple also founded their own public relations and lobbying firm. How are they anything but “elite,” according to the false dichotomy they espouse? Why are they any more qualified to speak for ostensibly “real” Americans than the journalists they haughtily deride, virtually all of whom are far less affluent?

To put icing on the cake, Mercedes Schlapp reportedly said at a recent White House meeting that “I stand with Kelly Sadler” — referring to the White House aide who said of Sen. John McCain’s opposition to CIA nominee Gina Haspel that “it doesn’t matter, he’s dying anyway.” Schlapp is awfully selective about what she finds offensive.

I'd argue these two are easily rightest elite themselves. So what makes them more American than someone on the left espousing their ideals? Why are they allowed to be elite without shame but someone on the left who is elite needs to be derided? None of this makes any sense, but what I can say is that opinions and slurs along these lines is doing more to tear us apart as a country than it is to unite us and overcome our political differences. There is no such thing as being unamerican just because you hold a certain political belief. That is ridiculous and we shouldn't be stooping to that level. Our founding fathers didn't fight and die so that we can rip each other apart like this. So the next time you want to deploy the "patriotism" angle as a bludgeon against your political enemies stop and think if YOU are the one being unamerican with your rhetoric.




posted on May, 15 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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Plowing deep....cool of ya

I can see the logic....but the new order has it well tangled...you are untangling....cool
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

"Compelling opinion piece" and WAPO are words that do not belong in the same sentence.... unless of course propaganda coming from the old CIA guard counts as an "opinion".


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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

I'm sorry, but do you have any relevant opinion about the opinions I expressed in the OP or did you just come in to slander my source?


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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm sorry you could not be more wrong. Our country was brought together to give the principles of Liberty and personal responsibility a voice in the world. It was not coming together to say that every political idea is equal that is absolutely asinine. They did not believe that communism or socialism , actually didn't exist at the time, we're equal with a Democratic Republic. The only form of government that could be close to fair for the people was a Democratic Republic a representative Republic they set it up so that it could be modified over time but they also set it up so that certain fundamental principles were very difficult to change.

Jaden
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t




The whole point of democracy is that every citizen’s voice is supposed to have equal weight

When did we switch from republic to a pure democracy?

Thenhe goeson tocall out the rich right wing people.. are they any more elitest than say a movie start telling me I should travel less, use less power for global warming, yet they take a private jet to accept an award.

Hypocrisy runs rampant on both sides of the aisle... its the main reason I hate bothparties.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: Masterjaden

Of course they didn't exist, but that doesn't mean you are correct. Our founding fathers made our country with the intention that its political ideals can evolve with the changing populace's ideas. So you are 100% wrong. You may not like Socialism or Communism, but a Socialist or a Communist is every bit as American as you are.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Hypocrisy runs rampant on both sides of the aisle... its the main reason I hate bothparties.

That's the point he was making with that anecdote.


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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:12 AM
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Commies are as un American as can be.

Socialism is un American, no room for argument.

Benedict Arnold was the first American traitor, it is very American to decry treason.

MAGA is todays apple pie and Chevrolet.


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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

No they are not and you really need to read the federalist papers because they spelled out exactly what they were thinking and it's pretty much the exact opposite of both communism and socialism. They did NOT allow for the evolution of the government to that extent. The freedom of the individual was paramount and NEVER expected to be circumvented.

So go read the federalist papers and learn something.

Jaden

P. S. I know he won't his goal is manipulation not raising the reality.
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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I've been ready eugene Robinson's articles for years in my local paper.
I can't say I ever agree with much he has to say.

He cries from his syndicated newspaper article about everybodies voices not being heard equally yet fails to realize his voice is heard more than most.
Life is not fair or equal and it's not anywhere on the planet.


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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:16 AM
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People can be Americans and Communists just as people can be Americans and neo-Nazis. You don't need to like them or their views but they are permitted to have them and publically espouse those views.

The marys on both sides need to suck it up.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:17 AM
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Interestingly, he doesn't go back in history to the roaring 20's and 30's when organized crime was exclusively Italian. The FBI was deporting quite a few of capo's and even Godfathers back to Italy and Sicily. Of course they were "redeemed" by the OSS in World War 2.

But I digress. Complaining about the laws and EO's that President Trump initiates to get rid of un-American activities like the condemnation of our present form of Constitutional government by the socialists and communists of today, I think is the right thing to do, no matter who is hurt, jailed or removed from this country. I think that maybe you are not very aged and have not seen the people espousing the violent overthrow of this country. I have and did and read the literature.

History is very important. When I was five years old, I stepped on a yellow jacket nest and was stung 20 times. Now, in my 60's I still avoid yellow jacket nests. This country is best to avoid people who want to change our Constitutional government...



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Commies are as un American as can be.

Socialism is un American, no room for argument.

Benedict Arnold was the first American traitor, it is very American to decry treason.

MAGA is todays apple pie and Chevrolet.

First there is room for argument because we are having one now. Second, Socialism has been in American politics for over 100 years now. It's more American than MAGA, or at least more established in American politics. Third, Benedict Arnold was a traitor to the Continental Army, not our country (which didn't exist at the time).



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes they are American citizens, that does not mean that their beliefs and ideas are American.

Jaden



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

People can be Americans and Communists just as people can be Americans and neo-Nazis. You don't need to like them or their views but they are permitted to have them and publically espouse those views.

The marys on both sides need to suck it up.

EXACTLY! It's pretty telling all the people coming in and whining about Socialism and Communism not being American without even thinking about what they are saying.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: NightFlight
Interestingly, he doesn't go back in history to the roaring 20's and 30's when organized crime was exclusively Italian. The FBI was deporting quite a few of capo's and even Godfathers back to Italy and Sicily. Of course they were "redeemed" by the OSS in World War 2.

But I digress. Complaining about the laws and EO's that President Trump initiates to get rid of un-American activities like the condemnation of our present form of Constitutional government by the socialists and communists of today, I think is the right thing to do, no matter who is hurt, jailed or removed from this country. I think that maybe you are not very aged and have not seen the people espousing the violent overthrow of this country. I have and did and read the literature.

History is very important. When I was five years old, I stepped on a yellow jacket nest and was stung 20 times. Now, in my 60's I still avoid yellow jacket nests. This country is best to avoid people who want to change our Constitutional government...

Speaking of history, McCarthism is HIGHLY derided and frowned upon these days.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: Masterjaden


Having differing beliefs is American, otherwise their wouldn't have been an America or a Fedrelist and anti-Fedrealist Party.





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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Commies are as un American as can be.

Socialism is un American, no room for argument.

Benedict Arnold was the first American traitor, it is very American to decry treason.

MAGA is todays apple pie and Chevrolet.


I am a socialist and just as "American" as you or anyone else.

Good thing about freedom...we each can have our own opinions. You can call me unAmerican for being socialist and I can tell you where you can stick your ignorance.

Beautiful thing, isn't it?







 
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