Making the case against Iran's government.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Everything you've listed is tit for tat. When was the last time Iran attacked Europe? You're British, when were we last attacked by Iran?

War-mongering know-it-all's, I hope you never have to experience someone bombing/invading your country.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Israel's way or the U.S.'s....

Good luck with that. Iran isn't a cakewalk like the other countries over there that you haven't been able to take over.

Iran isn't much different from other M.E. Armies. They don't have the Logistics, Manufacturing, Experience and training capabilities to win a confrontation. The Only ME armies worth their while are Egypt and Israel and the Kurds and Hezbollah.

The Mullahs need to be removed from power by means other than Armed Conflict. We did this is Eastern Europe and no one batted an eye, even Russia couldn't stop them. The Iran Regime will fall by it's own weight if allowed to and "assisted" by us. The Nuclear sanctions crippled their economy. That's the only reason they came to the Nuclear table to talk even.

Containment with Iran hasn't worked obviously. We need to try other approaches.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: introvert

That is for the people of Iran to decide.

well ive seen lots of riots all over Iran where people call death to Khamenei for the past couple of months and they were faced with force, so the people cant do more than that, so no, i dont believe that the people can decide.

Careful now. We don't need a war in Iran.

So do we just need a slaughter and imprisonment of the protesters then? As I've stated, it will take a delicate approach to have the Mullahs fall without major violence. That should be a goal to work towards. Doing nothing and sitting on the sidelines hasn't accomplished much for Iran or the World. We know the EU isn't much for self determination as showcased in Catalonia. They care more about Euro's than their own citizens.

Iran, Like every other country, Should spend at least a decade devoted to developing it's own country for it's own citizens.

That crazy populism again..........

I 100% agree. I don't think bombing the crap out of them is very constructive but that's just me...

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Everything you've listed is tit for tat. When was the last time Iran attacked Europe? You're British, when were we last attacked by Iran?

2011

Embassy Attack

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Everything you've listed is tit for tat. When was the last time Iran attacked Europe? You're British, when were we last attacked by Iran?

When Iran gets nukes the whole game will change, then they go from regional to international power. No good can come of letting Iran play these games. In addition to which the Iranian people need bringing into the international fold. On your Iranian attack on Britain please research Lockerbie.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: introvert

That is for the people of Iran to decide.

well ive seen lots of riots all over Iran where people call death to Khamenei for the past couple of months and they were faced with force, so the people cant do more than that, so no, i dont believe that the people can decide.

Careful now. We don't need a war in Iran.

So do we just need a slaughter and imprisonment of the protesters then? As I've stated, it will take a delicate approach to have the Mullahs fall without major violence. That should be a goal to work towards. Doing nothing and sitting on the sidelines hasn't accomplished much for Iran or the World. We know the EU isn't much for self determination as showcased in Catalonia. They care more about Euro's than their own citizens.

Iran, Like every other country, Should spend at least a decade devoted to developing it's own country for it's own citizens.

That crazy populism again..........

I 100% agree. I don't think bombing the crap out of them is very constructive but that's just me...

That's the tightrope to walk. You don't want to get the Iranian public behind the Mullahs just because we attack them. That will be the script the Iranian regime will want to follow. Rally the country against the Great Satan.

Iran is one thing but who would jump in to protect their assets in that country. You willing to take the risk at kicking off the big one WWIII?

Nukes and biochem world wide...it will be glorious and Jesus will come back.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Having spent the whole of my life watching Iranian terror whether it be over Lockerbie, 

Have I got Mandela Effect? I'm pretty sure it was Libyan terrorists that did Lockerbie?

Gadaffi got sodomised with a spear. How much "justice" do you want to deliver?

originally posted by: olaru12
Iran is one thing but who would jump in to protect their assets in that country. You willing to take the risk at kicking off the big one WWIII?

Who's assets in what Country?

Russia would benefit greatly from lessened Iranian Oil and Gas Production. I don't know of much Chinese financial Interests in Iran. Those deals get worked out in private. Case in Point, look what is about to happen in North Korea. That's literally Russia's and China's Border.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Look Israel is under attack from the Iranian state sponsored terror and that is not a good thing. Nothing to do with the average man in the street when it comes to Iran, theya re all just people and mind controlled by their institutions, but the Iranian government needs to take a step back and stop attacking by proxy the state of Israel. If Iran goes back to the Persian Gulf and meddles around there then totally cool, it's their back yard, even Iraq has their influence and so be it. But Iran has no business meddling in the eastern Mediterranean. They have no influence in that region, this is out of their zone.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: olaru12
Trump will have his war. Time to invest in the war effort! Business as usual....

Halliburton is looking good again.

www.marketwatch.com...

Halliburton and those Super Big Construction firms "Always" do fine. They are the ones who build the Gas and Oil Pipelines from the M.E. to Europe. They don't need wars to make tons of money.

Really...?

www.globalpolicy.org...

Halliburton supply the infrastructure for war....everything from bottled water to portapotties, food services, etc.

Really.

They do far more than just that. I'm speaking of the Huge Construction firms of the Globe of which Halliburton is one player.

These companies build fricken cities first before they build their mega projects. My Cousin helped build the largest Liquifed Natural Gas Plant in Africa in Angola. they had to build a city to hold all the people who came their to build it. Had to have translators that could speak over a dozen languages. There are a handful of such companies around the globe who can pull off such large projects.

Yes Halliburton provides logistics to Military's but it's just a smaller piece of their overall pie.

Really. The example you cite is in a non-war circumstance. Of course, Corporations can and do make money from war, as well as peace, that doesn't make them evil or the source of that war either. Otherwise, your just forwarding, the environmental, socialist and outright Communist drivel.

Frankly, none of it even touches the points of the OP. As we speak the extremist militant Islamic crowd moves further and further into Africa. One way or another, putting an end to Iran's efforts allows for a much calmer ME and more focus on the remaining nut jobs. JMO, though.

a reply to: pavil

The 2011 attack on the British Embassy  in Iran was a mob action on 29 November 2011 by a crowd of Iranian protesters who stormed the embassy and another British diplomatic compound in Tehran, Iran, ransacking offices and stealing documents. One small building was set on fire during the incident and several people were injured.[1] The Iranian government publicly condemned the violence.[2]

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

You're making a lot of judgements about people you don't even know. Iran is not North Korea and for all we know, the stories about North Korea are Bullsh!t too. Let's stop pretending we have all of the facts.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: pavil

The 2011 attack on the British Embassy  in Iranwas a mob action on 29 November 2011 by a crowd of Iranian protesters who stormed the embassy and another British diplomatic compound in Tehran, Iran, ransacking offices and stealing documents. One small building was set on fire during the incident and several people were injured.[1] The Iranian government publicly condemned the violence.[2]

Is not the British Embassy being attacked an attack on British interests? The Iranian Government's obligations Under the Vienna Convention of 1961 is to protect embassies on it's soil from attacks

2. The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the mission or impairment of its dignity.

IED's built and delivered from Iran have Killed and Injured British and other Nation's soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

To make it sound as if Iran is some peaceful country is dishonest. They are a problem, not a solution to peace in the region. If they had their way, they would topple every Sunni Govt in the Region. Is that what you want?

Like I've stated, once Iran Founded and Funded Hezbollah, it became more than an Internal issue.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Having spent years over in Israel I can tell you the Iranian threat is real. Maybe I'm prejudiced as a supporter of the state of Israel but Iran is not good news for the eastern Mediterannean. Given time their influence will spread more, the idea of the Mullahs getting their hands on nukes is a very very bad idea.

originally posted by: [post=23400028]pavilLike I've stated, once Iran Founded and Funded Hezbollah, it became more than an Internal issue.

Exactly Given time the Iranian threat will increase beyond the ME if it is not stopped.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: [post=23400028]pavilLike I've stated, once Iran Founded and Funded Hezbollah, it became more than an Internal issue.

Exactly

Given time the Iranian threat will increase beyond the ME if it is not stopped.

Cripes. It sounds like you need 300 Spartans.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: pavil

The 2011 attack on the British Embassy  in Iran was a mob action on 29 November 2011 by a crowd of Iranian protesters who stormed the embassy and another British diplomatic compound in Tehran, Iran, ransacking offices and stealing documents. One small building was set on fire during the incident and several people were injured.[1] The Iranian government publicly condemned the violence.[2]

You but that drivel? Over 400 days of their captivity with no action from Iran's 'Government' and expect traction??

Amazing.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: [post=23400028]pavilLike I've stated, once Iran Founded and Funded Hezbollah, it became more than an Internal issue.

Exactly

Given time the Iranian threat will increase beyond the ME if it is not stopped.

Cripes. It sounds like you need 300 Spartans.

It would be about the same as the entire Canadian Army.