MH370 captain 'deliberately evaded radar' during final moments of doomed flight

a reply to: shawmanfromny


The airplane flying a fine line between Thai and Malaysian airspace would ALSO be what might have happened had the ship been hijacked by way of satellites.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Exclusive: MH370 Pilot Flew a Suicide Route on His Home Simulator Closely Matching Final Flight

I think it would be prudent on your part to question main stream narrative.

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
a reply to: Zaphod58

Do you, or I know more than aviation experts? I know I don't....do you? The fact that there are many aviation "experts" that say they don't think that a high impact crash occurred, lends more credibility than you claiming that they're idiots.

I saw a documentary on the Steve Fossett disappearance. His place disappeared over the desert and his family were so desperate to find him, they paid for satellite images to be taken and volunteers from the public to review the images via Tomnod, a crowdsearching website. Even then they couldn't find his plane, but plenty of car wrecks, crashed planes and other desert junk. Eventually his plane was found in the mountain forestst at 10K, hidden by trees. He had a heart attack, lost consciousness, the autopilot kept his plane on a straight line until it hit the tree line of the forest at that elevation.

Speculation by airline experts was that his plane could have glided, that any plane could glide, even a 777. The airframe of an aircraft is rigid like a glider, unlike the skeleton of a bird. So as long as the 777 maintains horizontal stability, it will glide, trading altitude for speed.

a reply to: stormcellAny plane will glide providing that the airspeed is right for its type

a reply to: shawmanfromny

I don't normally watch most Australian channels - but I was interested and put up with the annoyingly longer and frequent ad breaks to watch this.

I am not sold on the Ghost Plane theory (pilot incapacitated) or the theory he took it down to the very end.

Why?

Well when you are suicidal you aren't going to go 7 odd hours alone with your thoughts with everyone else dead around you. You wanna end it and end it as soon as possible. The hypotheses of familial and financial problems to political protest doesn't seem to fit the regular suicide pattern.

But there was that flight simulator stuff at his home with a similar flight in it right? Does anyone know WHO searched his home and computer? Was that information planted?


I really think there is more to this than we have been led to believe. I believe it may have been a covert operation by some party unknown to test capabilities (radar, satellite, perhaps some hacking remotely with some device previously installed on plane before take off) in SE Asia, and hide the evidence far away. There may have been something that happened onboard (accidental exposure to some catastrophic agent maybe?) and it needed to be hidden.


The whole thing stinks.

originally posted by: Subrosabelow
Sorry, don't buy that story. If the guy wanted to kill himself, WHY do so in a way that ends the lives of dozens of innocent passengers? You're telling me this pilot couldn't use some other method?

No way. There was something else going on with that flight. A high profile passenger perhaps? Something valuable in the hold people wanted badly?

There are far too many other things that seriously smell about this case.

There are plenty of mass murder-suicides out there for people who wanted to die (non terror ideology related) and felt that others should die with them.

Aviation wise I can think of that Germanwings pilot off the top of my head.

originally posted by: roadgravel

Interesting the authorities were not willing to release the satellite data so the dude could help trace the flight path.

It was released.

No, it wasnt

www.news.com.au... 88a336

The respected engineer, who has 27 years experience in the field, offered his services to the Malaysian, Chinese and Australian authorities just weeks after the Boeing 777 vanished, only to be rejected.

AN Australian scientist says it is possible to locate missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 by identifying cloud changes for evidence of vapour trails caused by burning fuel emissions from the aircraft.

Hydrometeorologist Aron Gingis, head of environmental consultancy firm Australian Management Consolidated, and a former Monash University academic, specialises in cloud microphysics.

Mr Gingis says he has used the technology to locate shipwrecks in the north Pacific Ocean by identifying “ship trails” and the changes in cloud microphysics caused by emissions of floating vessels using archival satellite data.

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Others have disagreed more fundamentally with the search strategy. Aron Gingis, an Australian environmentalist specializing in cloud microphysics, told the ATSB that it should be possible to analyze archived satellite imagery for cloud changes generated by MH370’s vapor trails. He told AIN that “Inmarsat’s modeling and calculations have been largely approximate and possibly wrong.” The ATSB declined his assistance. A Ukrainian scientist claimed that acoustic and seismic data could be brought to bear. Australian scientists disagreed.

originally posted by: auroraaus

originally posted by: Subrosabelow
Sorry, don't buy that story. If the guy wanted to kill himself, WHY do so in a way that ends the lives of dozens of innocent passengers? You're telling me this pilot couldn't use some other method?

No way. There was something else going on with that flight. A high profile passenger perhaps? Something valuable in the hold people wanted badly?

There are far too many other things that seriously smell about this case.

There are plenty of mass murder-suicides out there for people who wanted to die (non terror ideology related) and felt that others should die with them.

Aviation wise I can think of that Germanwings pilot off the top of my head.

The radar dodging if true points to other than suicide!! The fact that not one piece of identifiable luggage, passport, credit cards, wallet, clothes other have been found after 4 years possibly suggests that the plane didn't break up and must then have sunk! Which then suggests that there was no big crash or the planed would have broken up! That then possibly eliminates suicide. If the plane had been shot down you would have had a big crash and plane break up just like the Malay over the UKraine. So it looks like it wasn't shot down. So that all that is left is remote control or hijack/pilot gone terrorist and that would then suggest that the plane flew somewhere else and landed and the passengers and luggage etc taken off and maybe even the black box. Then the plane took off and was flown remotely to its grave hence the debris found but nothing else because the passengers and luggage where no longer on the plane.

And when you consider the makeup of this flight, people, technology, its intended destination and the radar dodging etc this possibility points to a sinister reason for the disappearance and why it can't be found!

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

See, the Inmarsat techs would have noticed a deviation in the area from the pings MH370 sent/recieved. Thus, after it turned away after Penang it headed on a mostly straight path. Also landing/taking off again would have changed the flight duration/distance which would not correlated with the known Inmarsat data

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Even if it landed intact and the fuselage was undamaged, the crushing depths of the ocean would make it implode. One way or another there should be much more of the lighter items washing up, maybe some has washed up but not been found yet.

Could it be possible some items may have made it to Antarctica?

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a reply to: Moohide

Some things, like seat cushions, eventually become water logged and sink, some may have landed but been in such unusual places they weren't connected to the plane, and some may have landed on uninhabited, or sparsely inhabited islands.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Hey so if we ignore all of this media speculation and look at only the wreckage evidence alone, what do you think the most likely scenarios for this wreck are?

Some form of mechanical malfunctions?

a reply to: muzzleflash

There were a number of 777s built that were susceptible to fire in the First Officer oxygen system. In fact, I believe it was an Ethiopian, one that was sitting at the gate had the cockpit burned out and a hole burned through the side. Personally, that's my theory.

If they flew until they ran out of fuel, due to incapacitation, the aircraft would have descended well beyond its limits and there's a good chance it would have broken apart, at least partially, during the dive.

originally posted by: auroraaus
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

See, the Inmarsat techs would have noticed a deviation in the area from the pings MH370 sent/recieved. Thus, after it turned away after Penang it headed on a mostly straight path. Also landing/taking off again would have changed the flight duration/distance which would not correlated with the known Inmarsat data

When and where was the last ping received? And is it possible to disable the ping on the plane or remotely?

originally posted by: Moohide
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Even if it landed intact and the fuselage was undamaged, the crushing depths of the ocean would make it implode. One way or another there should be much more of the lighter items washing up, maybe some has washed up but not been found yet.

Could it be possible some items may have made it to Antarctica?

I don't know but there are so many items that wold float particularly luggage, passports, wallets etc. but not a single item has been washed up or found in 4 years seems amazing.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

You're talking about a huge area, that doesn't have a lot of land area, and ship traffic that follows pretty specific lanes for the most part. It easily could have floated until it sank without being seen.

a reply to: auroraaus

I'm skeptical for the same reason. I just don't buy that the pilot would spend several hours flying the plane to a remote area of the southern Indian Ocean, just to commit suicide. It's a fact that most suicides are impulsive acts, committed while the person is stressed out and despairing over their problems. The hours-long flight would be plenty of time to calm down and reconsider.

I've thought all along that the theory of a fire incapacitating the pilot & copilot (leaving the plane to wander unguided until it ran out of fuel) is the one that best fits the facts.

If it was an equipment breakdown, what caused the plane to fly the path it did? I could see the plane being turned to head for a landing but a couple more. No crew, what is causing the changes to the path.

a reply to: roadgravel

Could be any number of things. Unless the recorders are found we'll never know.