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Trump squeaky clean or evil genius criminal mastermind?

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posted on May, 12 2018 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Asktheanimals




No angel, hedonistic but believably patriotic.

Opportunistic and self-interested.

Patriotic or panderer?

(that alliterates rather nicely)


Self interested guys take the paycheck..




posted on May, 12 2018 @ 10:15 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Gothmog

There was an impeachment and a dozen or so convictions.


Most convictions were dropped to get the impeachment as Starr couldn't prove anything.
And the impeachment failed in the Senate and barely made it through the House.
Without a few votes in the House , Starr would have failed miserably




posted on May, 12 2018 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: notsure1




Dont you see this is why Trump is where he is.

Yes.
I was surprised that those who voted for him didn't and still don't.

A scammer fits neither category of your dichotomy.


It's not that the Conservatives couldn't see that he was a scammer, it's just that they made the mistake of thinking that he was "their" scammer.
But no, Trump is just scamming for Trump and Trump only.

He has no "people".
He's a New Yorker that never was cool enough to be accepted by other New Yorkers. He's cheesy and tacky. He's just not cool.
And now he's old and bitter and having one last laugh.



posted on May, 12 2018 @ 10:43 PM
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a reply to: notsure1

The President is Fresh as Irish Spring , And I Like it Too..................



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 03:08 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: notsure1




Dont you see this is why Trump is where he is.

Yes.
I was surprised that those who voted for him didn't and still don't.

A scammer fits neither category of your dichotomy.


Who is he scamming? This persona that you detest so much is the exact same persona that hasn't changed. The same persona that won him the election.

So I ask again. Who is he scamming?

He has either done things according to the law or paid off people with subsequent non disclosure agreements. But that's what arbitration is for and it's perfectly legal.

I'm not saying anything about his moral code. But he obviously has been following the laws while he scammed his way into the white house.

Maybe he simply won with a better platform against a horrendous candidate and he isn't scamming anyone. Surely he isn't scamming anyone in the illegal ways that are coming to light from the previous administration.


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posted on May, 13 2018 @ 03:50 AM
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Wow if Trump is evil what does that make our Shadow government?



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 04:25 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: wtfatta

As has been pointed out more than once, how long did Kenneth Star's investigation take?

I have no idea what Mueller's investigation has found, or not. Other than several indictments. Do you?


There's been enough evidence to have various raids approved by judges and several members of the administration have been called back to correct the record due to lying/misleading/obstufication to the panel (everyone guilty of this stepped down shortly after, though with the high turnover of staff that can easily just be coincidence). It takes several hundred pages of reports and evidence in order to obtain the logging of the phone records between Trump and his Lawyer, not enough for a full blown tap but a hell of a lot of 'something'.

What it's found and if there's enough evidence to warrant prosecution no one will know until the report is released, leaks may come in the weeks before publication. Personally I don't see it hapening, seems more a case of Russia having infiltrated the campaign via the trap meeting with the female spy and the Far Reich Trump advisor who had to step down after his hungarian neo-nazi membership, past and present leaked after Charlottesville. I don't see how they can be charged with wrongdoing over meeting with a spy unintentionally as it's inescapable. While in the UK we categorically deny that ambassadors are part of MI6 and used for illegal corporate espionage, they will feign outrage if a journalist asked such a question, if you go on the public 'jobs' section of the MI6 site it lists ambassador and various covert positions for illegal spying. There's an interesting job called 'On Her Majesty's Silver Service' where they're looking to hire waiting on staff fluent in most languages to spy on the queen, royals, meetings with domestic and international figureheads. Not a good sign when security services have such a basic security breach.
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posted on May, 13 2018 @ 04:37 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: wtfatta

As has been pointed out more than once, how long did Kenneth Star's investigation take?

I have no idea what Mueller's investigation has found, or not. Other than several indictments. Do you?


And kenneth starr found nothing too. He caught clinton in a lie that was germaine to the investigation of him harrassing paula Jones et al.

Trump is an amoral scheister, no doubt. But that doesnt make him criminal.



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 04:50 AM
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a reply to: DeepImpactX




He can and will run circles around the retards in the nations capital


What's he holding out for?



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 04:54 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Well...mueller indicted a company that doesnt exist

How much dumber does he need to make them look?



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 05:10 AM
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a reply to: wtfatta

How do you know that when Mueller has not released any reports yet?

It's like denying the sun exists when it's night.
Look outside...there's no light.



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 05:16 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Know why?



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Yup.
And he's defensively insecure because of it.

I lived in the same neighborhood when I was little til my parents moved us out of the city.
There was a lot of clique-y groups. Often based on church or school. I was only 11 when we moved but I'd already been both snubbed and snubber.



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 06:06 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Gothmog

Know why?

Yes . And if I did not , I would have turned to a factual source for clarification.



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1
So we know they have investigated Trump like no other person in the history of investigations and have not found anything .


I'm sure Bubba would disagree with that.


As to the question it probably lies in between. Absolutes seldom work.
edit on 13-5-2018 by intrepid because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

He scammed everyone who voted for him because he lied to get what he wanted and he lies now just for the hell of it. He breaks his oath of office every day putting us at risk.



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: notsure1

He doesn't need to be smart, just the people working on his behalf do.
edit on 13/5/2018 by YarlanZey because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

It's about time.



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Isurrender73

He scammed everyone who voted for him because he lied to get what he wanted and he lies now just for the hell of it. He breaks his oath of office every day putting us at risk.


You have been scammed but not by Trump.



posted on May, 13 2018 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: YarlanZey
a reply to: notsure1

He doesn't need to be smart, just the people working on his behalf do.

Only the best people.
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