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Backgrounds of Global Warming Skeptics.

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posted on Apr, 25 2005 @ 01:26 PM
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www.spectator.org...

This article quotes a TechCentralStation think tank as it's primary argument against the costs of cutting greenhouse emissions. As well as throwing in a few red herrings about ELF and radicals, and media control- just google James K. Glassman and tell me what YOU think.

Then read Foundation and Empire by Isaac Asimov(1985)- or Methuselah's Children by Robert A. Heinlein(1958). Science Fiction predicted the media's thought control effect on population in these books years ago.




posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 02:54 PM
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Hudson Institute and the Center for Global Food Issues CGFI www.hudson.org... www.cgfi.org...

About the Husdon Institute:
CGFI is a project of the Hudson Institute. CGFI claims that human activity is irrelevant when it comes to Global Warming. This is a claim used against California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger who wants to reduce Ca. greenhouse gas emissions 80% by 2050.
CGFI also claims that GW is a good thing for agriculture. ( I guess they didn't know that heavy rain fall and flooding is an effect of global warming.
)
Mainly this group is against the organic food movement (once you see who is paying the bills you will see why.)

Who Benefits: As like just about every group I've mentioned on this thread, ExxonMobil is a huge source of funds to this think tank.
Who else is paying out to the Hudson Institute? Just about every evil corporation out there.
DuPont the corp. who gives us cancer with Teflon (Read all about it in twitchy's Super Slippery Lies thread.)
Proctor & Gamble. The leader in animal testing. Dawn, saving wildlife for 25 years commercial
McDonalds
Sunkist Growers
National Agricultural Chemical Association
HJ Heinz
Ag Processing Inc

Links:
www.sourcewatch.org...
www.exxonsecrets.org...

[edit on 21/7/2005 by Umbrax]



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 03:06 PM
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This arguement is becoming largely irrelevant due to the duality of media reports...

as is so often the case, One story is being pushed thru the common media to prevent panic, while scientific journals and industry journals are telling the true story.

those that look will find that global warming is already affecting the weather dramatically in some parts of the world, as well as causing havoc with ocean fishing industries and ocean ecocycles...

those that would prefer the sheeple position need only close there ears a few times a day to stay ignorant...

everybody is happy... see...
leave those poor sheeple alone... ignorance is bliss... and it helps cull the flock also...



posted on Jul, 21 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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Don't give up on the sheeple
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I know what you are saying. I understand that many of the ignorant people in the world like to be that way. But ignorance spreads like a virus, a lot faster than the truth can keep up. If we defenders of underdogs don't speak up against giants like Exxon then we're all screwed.



posted on Jul, 29 2005 @ 11:19 AM
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I dont believe the whole global warming thing is caused by us humans. I think its caused by the Sun. Our sun is getting hotter, and having more intensive explosions and flares, i just started a thread about the unusual activity lately. The sun is causeing earthquakes, storms, and more like melting polar caps.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 29 2005 @ 09:41 AM
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Okay, here is another disinfo machine.


Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) www.cfact.org...


CFACT is a company that makes claims that Global Warming evidence is questionable. They claim they are a positive alternative to major environmental groups like Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, and Friends of the Earth"

They sure sound like they are looking out for out tomorrow but they are in fact looking out for Exxon's tomorrow.
Between 1998 and 2004 CFACT has received $382,000 from Exxon.
They have also received $60,500 between 1994 and 1998 from The Chevron Corporation. The DaimlerChrysler Corporation gave them $25,000 in 1997.

Other claims that CFACT has made include:
-Sports Utility Vehicles (SUVs)are cleaner and safer than most people believe.
-"The notion that people can contract a human form of the disease by eating beef from infected cows is more bun than burger."
-Energy-efficient compact fluorescent light bulbs are "big and cumbersome" and that they create "a harsh white glare"
-"It is abundantly clear we have nothing to fear from increasing concentrations of atmospheric CO2 and global warming, i.e., the "twin evils" of the extreme environmental movement. Indeed, these phenomena would appear to be our friends, and friends of the entire biosphere."



Links:
en.wikipedia.org...
www.exxonsecrets.org...



posted on Oct, 2 2005 @ 04:13 AM
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National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) www.ncpa.org...


The NCPA has recently released a study (that I am still trying to find) that makes claim to a 1,500-year cycle of moderate temperature swings and that humans have little or no impact on global climate.

NCAP's Environmental Task Force members include James Bovard, Associate Policy Analyst, CATO institute and Kathy Kushner, Research Fellow, Hudson institute.

The NCPA web site states that it "receives 70% of its funding from foundations, 20% from corporations, and 10% from individuals." Between 1985 and 2001, the Center received $4,031,000 in 75 separate grants from only twelve foundations

These foundations include. Earhart Foundation (White Star Oil Company), Koch Family Foundations (Koch Industries, the "nation's largest privately held energy company).

Corporate funding comes from the DaimlerChrysler Corporation Fund, El Paso Energy Foundation, and ExxonMobil Foundation.
NCPA has received $315,900 from ExxonMobil since 1998.



Links:
www.sourcewatch.org...
www.exxonsecrets.org...
www.pfaw.org...



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 10:37 PM
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The Science & Environmental Policy Project www.sepp.org...

I've been seeing this one a lot lately.

The Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) is run by S. Fred Singer. As an organization they are skeptical about ozone depletion and global warming.

S. Fred Singer - former space scientist and government scientific administrator. He rceived a B.E.E. from Ohio State University in 1943 and a Ph.D. from Princeton University in 1948.

ExxonMobil donated $10,000 to SEPP in 1998 and again in 2000.
Yet In 2000 SEPP wrote on their web site:

"SEPP does not solicit financial support from either industry or governmental sources. Income is derived mainly from charitable foundations and private individuals. Some income is derived also from SEPP conference fees and the sale of books and reports to the public. As a non-profit educational and research 501(c) 3 organization, accepting tax-deductible contributions, SEPP is required to file an annual report with the IRS. SEPP operates on a modest budget; its officers and associated scientists do not receive salaries but contribute their services on a pro bono basis."

www.sourcewatch.org
www.exxonsecrets.org
Also see Documenting the Corruption of S. Fred Singer



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 12:56 PM
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Let's watch FOX NEWS and Oprah.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 12:21 PM
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This is such a tangled web wrapped up in a pretty box it blows my mind.

www.globalwarming.org...
If you Google “Global Warming” this will be the third link on the results page. Smart way to name a website huh?



This web site is a project of the Cooler Heads Coalition, a sub-group of the National Consumer Coalition.

The Cooler Heads Coalition’s membership includes:

60 Plus Association (A front group for the pharmaceutical industry)
Alexis de Tocqueville Institution (Funded by Microsoft, Philip Morris, Conservative think-tank Capital Research Center, AT&T Foundation, and Amoco Foundation.
American Conservative Union (Lobby group)
Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise (Funding by, Exxon, Coors Foundation, Pacific Lumber, DuPont Agricultural Products Division, Seneca Sawmills, Burkland Lumber, F.M. Kirby Foundation.)
Christian Coalition of America (Founded by Rev. Pat Robertson)
Citizens for a Sound Economy (Funding by ExxonMobil, Exxon, Microsoft, U.S. Sugar Corp.)
The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (Funding by 3M,Amoco, Chevron, Dow Chemical, Exxon, General Motors, Lorillard Tobacco, Louisiana Chemical Association, National Pest Control Association, Occidental Petroleum, Philip Morris, Procter & Gamble.)

And many more of the same.

www.sourcewatch.org
www.exxonsecrets.org



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 04:01 PM
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And you think you are somehow better than the rest of us?



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by enaught
And you think you are somehow better than the rest of us?


Well at least he's contributing in a positive manner. You may want to try it.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 04:23 PM
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What Would Oprah Do?


Originally posted by enaught
Let's watch FOX NEWS and Oprah.


Originally posted by enaught
And you think you are somehow better than the rest of us?

Sorry, but in the context of the discussion, I can't make sense of either of these posts. :shk:

Are you sure you're posting to the right thread?



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by Majic
What Would Oprah Do?


Originally posted by enaught
Let's watch FOX NEWS and Oprah.


Originally posted by enaught
And you think you are somehow better than the rest of us?

Sorry, but in the context of the discussion, I can't make sense of either of these posts. :shk:

Are you sure you're posting to the right thread?
[/quote

Sorry, but I was under the impression that this forum's discussion were to pertain to environmenal topics, not sensational entertainment equivalent to Oprah or FOX News. I realize this is a conspiracy site but why let a moderator of all people post dilinquent material in this forum and ruin its integrity?



posted on Jul, 1 2006 @ 01:00 AM
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Conducive Environment


Originally posted by enaught
Sorry, but I was under the impression that this forum's discussion were to pertain to environmenal topics, not sensational entertainment equivalent to Oprah or FOX News.

Your impression is correct, but your posts leave me puzzled with regard to their relevance.

Perhaps you can help me with this.


Timely Delinquency


Originally posted by enaught
I realize this is a conspiracy site but why let a moderator of all people post dilinquent material in this forum and ruin its integrity?

These are serious charges.

Please feel free to elaborate and explain what it is you're talking about.



posted on Jul, 1 2006 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by enaught

Sorry, but I was under the impression that this forum's discussion were to pertain to environmenal topics, not sensational entertainment equivalent to Oprah or FOX News. I realize this is a conspiracy site but why let a moderator of all people post dilinquent material in this forum and ruin its integrity?


From the forum index.



Fragile Earth
Discussion of climate change, pollution, and environment issues


Global Warming is an environmental issue and ATS is a conspiracy site.
My post from the first page:


quote]Originally posted by Umbrax
Lately I have noticed a lot of members here that are skeptic of the Global warming scare. Skepticism is a very good thing, but what is it that sets off our alarm? Is it conflicting points of view? Contradictions with what we have already learned? My skeptic alarm goes off when I think "who benefits".
When it comes to reading reports on global warming you have to think, who benefits from this report? Do I benefit? Does the author benefit? Does the person or organization funding the author benefit.
Who benefits and what is the benefit we should be all asking.

In this thread I will be listing scientists and organizations who stand to benefit from polluting the planet. I will post their claims on how the Earth is fine or how we can't do anything about it. I will also list who is funding them.


Exactly how does my research equal “sensational entertainment equivalent to Oprah or FOX News?”
How is it even entertaining? It is pretty dry material actually. If you haven’t noticed this thread was started way back in February of last year (long before I became a mod BTW) and is now only on it's third page.
How is this delinquent material and how does this ruin ATS's integrity? What makes you, a member of ATS for less than 10 days a judge of what ruins this forums integrity or what a mod should or should not be doing? Who are you to come here and derail this thread with personal attacks?



posted on Jul, 1 2006 @ 01:15 AM
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Two issues here:

One, nobody has disproven the idea that global warming is not in part or mostly caused by natural cycles. Even if big oil has an interest in disproving global warming and it does of course that does not mean that some of their arguement is not valid even by default. Thus, current measures like Kyoto are more the fanatical ravings of paranoids than REAL SOLUTIONS to serious problems.

Second, Kyoto is in fact a wealth transfer from the first world to the developing and third world. It forces polluting first world countries to literally pay money to developing countries to buy 'clean air credits' that they supposidly have. Of course like all socialist propaganda nobody ever explains why a growing manufacturing powerhouse like China is held to LOW STANDARDS while a country like the USA is held to high standards while watching manufacturing drift out the backdoor with or without Kyoto. Many on the right politically see Kyoto for what it is as a left-wing method to move industry and wealth from the HATED first world to the loved third and socialist parts of the world.



posted on Jul, 1 2006 @ 01:39 AM
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I see, so all the skeptics are bad people who stand to benefit from the pollution of the earth and all those who are not skeptics are innocent and pure as undriven snow? Well, you can continue to preach from the tree...



posted on Jul, 1 2006 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Two issues here:

One, nobody has disproven the idea that global warming is not in part or mostly caused by natural cycles.


There is proof that GW is caused moslty or in part by natural cycles?

The scientific community is aware of past fluctuations in climate and there are cycles that work them. But cycles have cause. So what is the cause of this “cycle?” Natural or otherwise we should be able to find this mysterious cause.
There have been ice core records taken both in Greenland and in the Antarctic. A reading of this cycle indicates we should be experiencing a cooling trend now.
www.grida.no...

Could the current climate change be natural? There is no identified natural cause, scientists have been looked for it.




Even if big oil has an interest in disproving global warming and it does of course that does not mean that some of their arguement is not valid even by default.


"If?"
Take a look at this thread and my references and look at the dollar figures.

You seem to have no trouble following where the money will go with Kyoto and drawing a conclusion that it is a conspiracy to destroy the US’s economy. However you are quick to say that these global warming deniers do not lose credibility because of their financial backing.



posted on Jul, 1 2006 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by enaught
all those who are not skeptics are innocent and pure as undriven snow? Well, you can continue to preach from the tree...


Where is that insinuated in this thread? I'm reporting facts while you are making baseless accusations personal attacks. If you have something to show about the backgrounds of those who are not Global Warming skeptics please feel free to make your own thread.

You have charged me with posting delinquent material in this forum and that this thread ruins ATS's integrity. Please answer my questions in my last post to you.



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