You have a conservative think tank and an industry lobbyiest.

But these guys are not doing the actual climate research. Some researchers find evidence for, others find evidence against, global warming. They don't need to be shills for 'bad industry types' anymore than others need to be 'useful idiots for obessive environmentalists'.

Originally posted by Nygdan
You have a conservative think tank and an industry lobbyiest.

Yes, the thread is called "Backgrounds of Scientists and Organizations Who are Skeptic of Global Warming"

But these guys are not doing the actual climate research. Some researchers find evidence for, others find evidence against, global warming. They don't need to be shills for 'bad industry types' anymore than others need to be 'useful idiots for obessive environmentalists'.

Don't worry I will get to those doing the actual research. If you know some scientists that are skeptical of global warming I will gladly look into them and post my findings. I encourage others to do the same also. I am however only going to be posting about the skeptics. If you want to post about the backgrounds of Scientists and Organizations Who are not Skeptic of Global Warming please do so.

I thought most scientist agree that Global warming is happening. Where both sides clash and fail after that is what is it cause. Natural cycle vs Man made. The truth is scientist dont know which it is both sides have evidence to support their cliams. Niether side can prove it yet.

About The Kyoto Protocol I have yet to a single scientist claim it will have more then a 10th of a degree change off projected temps in 2050. I have seen projections much lower though.

good job... go get em....

very fine work you are doing... a task that i wished i had time to do...

I was wondering if the recent reports of Government wildlfe researchers being forced to change lab results would raise anyone elses suspicions...

It is an obvious ploy of the present administration to develop enough global warming negative sound bites, so that everyone will stop pushing for a cleaner enviroment... only those that remain determined will see past the ruse...

this prevents any of the Bush cronies from having to pay waste fines, and keeps the public pressure from forcing money costing cleanups... (afterall who do we believe?)

thanks again

Following The Money

It's encouraging to see research along these lines being posted, and I hope to see plenty more of it.

If you want to get a real picture of how money fits into the Global Warming business, look at who's funding the "pro-Global Warming" research.

The majority of the connections behind them are hidden behind so many layers of front organizations and false institutes that it's a very time-consuming effort.

I started on such a project but gave up when it became apparent that I simply don't have the time to dedicate to it -- and writing up in a way that doesn't make peoples' eyes glaze over is a Herculean task in itself.

But as you follow the money, pro or con, involved in Global Warming, you will find that, like everything else, it's all about money and power.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

I have a great idea...

someone needs to make a statement to the big oil boys...
maybe open up a waste oil burning plant right next to their vacation house... yum yumm good and good for you to...

these guys sit in there high towers so far away from the disasters that they are causing, that they need to be smacked upside the head with some reality...

show them a nice picture of the las vegas skyline on a hot august day during 5:00 traffic... (you can't even see the casinos from the highway)

or show them a denver sunset, with its huge haze of smog that makes the whole city look like a duststorm...

or any day of the week in Las Angeles or Phoenix.

or how about all the pretty rivers of Oklahoma that used to be clear or muddy, but now run solid green now from the excellerated growth of algi in the water due to fertilizer runoff.

these are all the changes that i have seen, not in my lifetime, BUT IN THE LAST 1-5 years...

I shouldn't be able to see changes that we have made to the environment, since "there isn't any damage" so then why are things changing so rapidly that they are apparent? because the cumilative effects have overblown our environmental tolerance...
the world can take a hit or 2, but not a thousand...

think of it like this...
human gets sick... then gets well...

but if that human gets cancer, flu, blood poisoning, VD, food poisoning, a skull fracture, and anthrax.... that human aint gonna make it... (unless he is Mr Burns from the simpsons)

that is what we are doing... some things actually moderated the effects of others, while some multiplied them...
at this pace, the world will not support our childrens children...
and not just from global warming... but from the pollution that causes it...



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Originally posted by Majic
But as you follow the money, pro or con, involved in Global Warming, you will find that, like everything else, it's all about money and power.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

I forget where I heard this but every question has the same answer. Money. I will be posting loads more on the skeptics who stand to benefit from global warming.


Yes, the more things change the more they stay the same.

as far as weather the global warming is a "natural event" or manmade.....maybe it's a combination of both.....
I mean, if a city is finding itself being flooded, how much sense does it make to open the damn and let more water rush in?

regardless of what is causing glabal warming, there has also been study after study about the effects the pollution is having on us, and our kids. That alone should be enough to merit tighter regulations, instead they seem to be lightening them up.....and oh, ya, assuring the companies that they won't be liable for the damage they've caused to our health and well being.

DAMN, i got to research that we need more Co2 indeed, maybe somebody will buy my report and I can pay that long holiday on the virgin islands while they are still not flooded

Lets see, I will "proof" that we need the global warming to counter the nuclear winter caused by the explosion of the Yellowstone supercaldera.

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Like somebody said before me follow the money trail, funny that the FDA in the US for 30 years was one of the best agencies to work for the well being of the American people but then in 92 it started to get divided between the tow groups the ones that still followed the old rules and the ones that worked and accepted "private funding" to do the research.

Again follow the money trail, onces the government cut funding to some of this agencies they "private sector" will take over to ensure that things goes their way.

This years results on our drinking water will make many to completely depend on bottle water for now on.

The present administration has cut almost 6 million dollars from last year and this year on monies to take care of the keeping our reservoirs of fresh water.

A democratic government's function is to protect people, it's citizens, and the citizens of the world.

In capitalist countries it is the Government's job to keep commercialism in check and protect people from the inequality, oppression and money-orientated practices of big business.

I posted this in another thread so i will share it here as well...

just yesterday i saw a news report that stated that a river very near me is contaminated with synthetic hormones... (a derived compound resulting from degredation of certain prevalent toxins in our environment)
it is causeing the male bottom feeder fish to have eggs in there testes instead of sperm... WTF? It is also causing many other problems with other species...

chemical pollution is a more immediate problem than global warming and is indirectly helping cause it.

It is intersting that one of my Bu#e friends used the "hoax of global warming" arguement to prove his point that environmental damage is nothing to worry about...
I said, if you feel that way, I have some land to sell you... right on top of a landfill...

whether global warming is or isn't occuring or is or isn't natural, is only indirectly connected with THE VERY REAL DAMAGE that is happening in our environment right now...

great thread, keep up the good work...

Absolutely excellent Umbrax.

Good solid research, great links. Thanks. Will contribute when I can.


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