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originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: olaru12
not under control. Thats just oppression. What is needed is for women to break from the trance they have been put in and wake up to the world around them. They ARE being controlled now. Thats the problem.
originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: agenda51
I wish I could agree with you, but from my observations, there are a lot of people out there that don't want freedom. It comes with too much responsibility.
Hey DB, hopefully not to steer off topic here, do you think 'Q' is controlled opposition?
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: nwtrucker
The only thing that would upset their evil plans would be something unpredicted. A meteor strike, a global epidemic, a zombie apocalypse.
originally posted by: Lab4Us
State = governing body.
Deep = operating beneath the surface, attempting to remain undetected.
Deep State = undetected governing body pulling the strings that make actual things happen while surface governments are impotent to stop them
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: nwtrucker
There's no such thing as a Deep State in the way this forum, and most Trump supporters take it.
There is however an unelected government in the work in the form of appointees and people hired through normal processes that are career officials, who do their work day in and day out regardless of who is in charge. Without such work, a smooth transition of government cannot happen, and Democracy fails.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: nwtrucker
The deep state exists and it is (primarily) the Obama administration.
Secondarily, it is establishment politicians that enjoy the "status quo" and don't want any real change in our country. They have an agenda and when the lowly unwashed upset their applecart, then we get punished with new laws, rules, restrictions, taxes.
In my opinion.
You very well may be right. Here's the questions your post raises for me. First, 'Deep State' also implies a 'Shallow State'. Yes? Otherwise, it is merely 'The State'.
If that implication holds true, then it would be the shallow state that Obama corrupted. Then there's plenty of evidence that everything in Obama's personal agenda used 'methods' already and often used by both political parties. Exposing Obama's expansion of those methods would expose their own lesser versions of the same methods. A built in protection. Hence, zero actual efforts beyond lip-service votes to counter him.
Second, while there was plenty of very bright individuals orchestrating Obam's agenda, I highly doubt this could have been implemented without a 'deep state' already in place. It strikes me as too much, too fast, without serious pre-planning. That implies a mechanism already in place.
I don't really know one way or another but that's my thoughts on it.
originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: nwtrucker
If you google it, its a SHAM the alt right made up. There is no deep state! If there is the, the alt right could name names and point fingers.