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Since when is SOCIALISM aka communism ok for Democrats to push in the USA? Soft targets....

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posted on May, 11 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: strongfp




In a way yes. But generally when people have a liberal mindset they have common goals. And those common goals can be anything really, the sky is the limit. Hence why pretty much all philosophers and great thinkers are liberal, and usually encompasses the entire population, not just a select few or endorse tribal politics.


The common goal of liberalism is liberty for the individual, or at least it used to be, until the word was co-opted and destroyed in the United States.


What do you mean destroyed in the US?

It's funny you mention liberty for the individual. Isn't that what most Americans want?




posted on May, 11 2018 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: strongfp




What do you mean destroyed in the US? It's funny you mention liberty for the individual.

Isn't that what most Americans want?


The American progressives co-opted the word liberal. I remember reading that they did this to distance themselves from their earlier eugenics proponents, of which the progressives had many. So in the US the word "liberal" no longer means liberal, but some version of big government and welfare state. Outside of the US, liberalism mostly means the same thing it always has.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 05:39 PM
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Communism ends up by far the bloodiest system....MAO did away with 70 million....he had green infected teeth....fact



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I'm confused here... so to be a liberal you embrace change. In fact, most change around the world has embraced libertarian and liberal mindset to bring for PROGRESS to a nation. Basically a socialist population that has not engulfed the governments to form 'communism'.

What you are saying is that some how liberal mindset is now evolving into progressiv-ism?

I think I am living in the twilight zone here, are you seriously just making up a political ideology just for the sake of attacking it?



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

No one can convince me they have the power or the "right" to dictate what "Rights" I have



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: TheJesuit
Make a list please of exactly which democrats are pushing a communist/socialist narrative. Maybe Bernie, but his is not a democrat, he is an independent.

Point to us all, which democrats are not deeply in bed with the capitlalist system, which democrats have not relieved much of their political money and their personal fortunes from their success and promotion of the capitalist system.

Maybe what you see as communist/socialism is only neo-liberalism. This is just as hard core capitalist as other capitalist forms but with a more liberal social agenda, believing that capitalism needs to dominate any and all cultural changes within all social structures.


Nice try. Typical social justice warrior deflection and projection putting the onus on other people to do all the research and work for them. Go educate yourself, there are lots of search engines out there including your favorite sjw converged one, Google.

You can start by looking up Venezuela.
edit on 11-5-2018 by gernblan because: Because Google autocorrect is dumber than a box of rocks



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: TheJesuit
What ever happened to working together to compromise on both sides of the aisle ?instead all I see nowadays is outrageous fake , misleading and predominantly Communist/Socialist narrative being portrayed in the MSM &also being push in the US education system with parents completely unawares!
What happened to the Capitalist ideals that created this Country? I believe we are unaware that the US institutions that held those believe s are under sever and open attack soft targets aka w/o bloodshed attacking the very ideals and traits that espouse a Capitalist mindset.
Your thoughts ATS? Cheers!


See Paine, Tom - Agrarian Justice



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 06:19 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Tell me liberals aren't in full attack mode against the US president? I believe liberals that label needs to go and be replaced with socialist because that is what it is just take a good look at Cali for example


so you don't think conservatives destroyed the 4th by bringing in the Patriot act, surveillance, allowing corporate lobby power to destroy competition?

Please. The divide and conquer scheme is working great. Just look at the op.

What has that to do with Socialism ?
Nothing
Communism is a form of government
Socialism is a form of economy
Get it right and move your post to a thread on Communistic ways in the US



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Well, No, Communism isn't a "form of government" it is an Economic and Social platform



In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state.[5][6][/quote[



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 06:38 PM
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And your point was ?
What is a Social platform ? How does it figure in to government or economy ?
I think you have government types and Facebook styles confused with each other

And learn how to post
You have wayyy too many quotes in that one post

edit on 5/11/18 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: TheJesuit

Socialism and communism are two different things tho ...


True and even more releavent is that most liberals are talking about social programs and policies that are from the Nordic and scandinavian countries. Everyone is talking about 10 different things and nobody can understand why no one can compromise.

Now about Capitalism or free market...we're entering an entreprenurial revolution...much like the industrial revolution. That's not going away anytime soon. Even communist countries like China have capitalism, because it makes money.

In the US, there's a huge entreprenurial push, side hustle push, side business push, start your own business push, grind push...the most popular gurus all talk about starting your own business.

We're not turing into 1980s Soviet union or todays venuzuala anytime soon. LOL



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 06:44 PM
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posted on May, 11 2018 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: gernblan

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: TheJesuit
Make a list please of exactly which democrats are pushing a communist/socialist narrative. Maybe Bernie, but his is not a democrat, he is an independent.

Point to us all, which democrats are not deeply in bed with the capitlalist system, which democrats have not relieved much of their political money and their personal fortunes from their success and promotion of the capitalist system.

Maybe what you see as communist/socialism is only neo-liberalism. This is just as hard core capitalist as other capitalist forms but with a more liberal social agenda, believing that capitalism needs to dominate any and all cultural changes within all social structures.


Nice try. Typical social justice warrior deflection and projection putting the onus on other people to do all the research and work for them. Go educate yourself, there are lots of search engines out there including your favorite sjw converged one, Google.

You can start by looking up Venezuela.


The assumptions of your reply are remarkable. First, this opening sentence of OP reads


What ever happened to working together to compromise on both sides of the aisle
.

Clearly the reference to ''both sides of the aisle'' indicate OP is referring to the US, and not Venezuela or other countries that have experimented with those economic systems.

And more, you rebut with a completely false accuastion that it is I who needs to do the research to back my claims. Read the OP once more. Are there any links or offerings of just where and who these communist/socialist people are in our government? NO. Not one, yet OP has drawn a picture that they are everywhere, all with out pointing any of them out. The accusations of OP were wildly general with no specifics at all. All the things you accuse me of. And that is what I was asking for from OP

My post pointed out, in a back handed manner, that there are none. There are no commies running our government, just capitalists and their stooges who are reaping the gains of this misused capitalist system for their own profits.

So, just why do you think that it is sjw behavior to ask OP to name just who these commies are when OP has not bothered to name them himself. Why would I ''google'' or search for them when I already know that they are a figment of OPs imagination.

If you are so lightly educated as to not already know that that tactic of making wild claims with no substantial backing of specific individuals is already an old and well known scare tactic then I would direct you sir, to any search engine where you might type in ''McCarthyism''



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Tell me liberals aren't in full attack mode against the US president? I believe liberals that label needs to go and be replaced with socialist because that is what it is just take a good look at Cali for example


so you don't think conservatives destroyed the 4th by bringing in the Patriot act, surveillance, allowing corporate lobby power to destroy competition?

Please. The divide and conquer scheme is working great. Just look at the op.

What has that to do with Socialism ?
Nothing
Communism is a form of government
Socialism is a form of economy
Get it right and move your post to a thread on Communistic ways in the US


It's all philosophy...

The irony is conservatives rely on social programs as much or more than "socialists"



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: luthier


so you don't think conservatives destroyed the 4th by bringing in the Patriot act, surveillance, allowing corporate lobby power to destroy competition?


Thank you for illustrating this.

As a Trump voter who proudly stands for the *entirety* of the Bill of Rights, I sincerely thank you.

Yes, the Patriot Act and secret spy programs are a definitive violation of the 4th amendment.

Socialism and communism result in less personal liberty and freedom.
Yes, even capitalism results in less than absolute liberty/freedom.

The question is, what works better? That was rhetorical. A Constitutional Republic is one answer: something we were already given by our fore-fathers. Sadly this has been bastardized and manipulated and "interpreted" (thanks to our courts/congress) to generally mean "less freedom/more regulation"

Agree with you though, this is divide/conquer playing out. And judging by the bulk of us (me included), it is working as 'they' planned


edit on 5/11/2018 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 07:49 PM
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Since when is SOCIALISM aka communism ok for Democrats to push in the USA?


Since when is fascism and totalitarianism suddenly so fashionable and ok for MAGA to push in the USA?



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

No one is pushing that, however. The patriots among us stand staunchly opposed to all of those things: fascism, communism, socialism... basically anything that steps on our precious Constitution.

OK, I take it back.. maybe those idiot Nazi types are pushing it. But no one likes or pays attention to those morons anyhow.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 07:52 PM
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What happened to the Capitalist ideals that created this Country?


Capitalism wasn't even invented when this country started, learn something first before you start attacking people.

This country started in communal, agrarian societies wih a tiny bit of entrepreneurship when the ships came twice a year to buy tobacco.

Our country today is corporatism which is inhuman, immoral and unsustainable. Socialism is better for society.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: JBurns


No one is pushing that,


Oh, it's being pushed. It's just more clever.


The patriots among us stand staunchly opposed to all of those things: fascism, communism, socialism... basically anything that steps on our precious Constitution.


Are you sure about that?




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