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Honest Question? Is Liberalism Slowly Eroding American Culture?

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posted on May, 11 2018 @ 12:58 PM
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I want to pose a question for debate..Is Liberalism determined to tear down America's traditional norms, values, and institutions? Conservatism has issues too, but it supports traditional values and ideas, which I feel is a good thing. I realize not all Liberals support the erosion of traditional values, however I'm beginning to see a trend and I would like to know if others see it to. Do individual rights trump social order? Are we "dumbing down" our children because of this?


The radical departure from traditional curricula and academic standards linked to the institution of political correctness in the schools and colleges raises serious questions as to educational purpose. Has the left deliberately diluted education in its self-interest?



Students and professors call for “trigger warnings” and “safe spaces” to protect them from the trauma of dissent. Cowardly public college authorities cave to their demands for fear of losing their jobs or funding from leftist government sources. Private schools also acquiesce to unruly denizens to avoid media opprobrium for political incorrectness. Curricula are fraught with sops to political identity groups while much traditional intellectual inquiry has disappeared resulting in too many shallow indoctrinated students.



Political correctness and indoctrination combined with academic dilution are so pervasively extreme as to suggest a conspiratorial force in certain quarters. How can there be such a performance disparity between public schools and their charter school and international counterparts, not to mention a longitudinal comparison, despite massively more spending? It cannot all be teacher incompetence.

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Is Liberalism responsible for shaming masculinity and offering students "cry closets" at schools? Are we raising self-righteous, weak, spineless young adults, who constantly whine and protest when things don't go the way they want?


My problem with Liberalism is that it’s more concerned with policing people’s language and thoughts without requiring them to do anything to fix the problem. White liberal college students speak of “safe spaces”, “trigger words”, “micro aggressions” and “white privilege” while not having to do anything or, more importantly, give up anything. They can’t even have a conversation with someone who sees the world differently without resorting to calling someone a racist, homophobic, misogynistic, bigot and trying to have them banned from campus, or ruin them and their reputation.



Race, gender, religion and sexual orientation are such difficult discussions to have, and many of us don’t get it right, but my problem with some white liberals aren’t that they sometimes get it wrong, it’s their profound lack of self-awareness coupled with the smugness and self-righteousness that they use to lecture to others.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Some men, are now experiencing gender role conflicts, because their masculine "ideals" are threatened. They need support and a shoulder to cry on, because of "toxic male stereotypes." There's a Liberal belief brewing, that suggests that traditional "masculine" males are restrictive emotionally and are afraid to cry when they're experiencing disappointment, or grief. Now some men feel intimidated by the self reliance and self assuredness displayed by traditional male "stereotypes." These men seek counseling now, because sexist attitudes are now having detrimental effects on their mental health. Why all of sudden? I've never had a problem shedding a tear, or having empathy for someone, even though I'm a traditional masculine male. Where did "they" get that information from? Why are some men experiencing depression over this? Why are they internalizing these negative stereotypes and prejudices? Why do Liberals attack masculinity as the cause of this and not their own reactionary movement, where people blame "triggers" for these problems.

Did the Liberal mindset of "diversity" and "inclusiveness" cause the radical change to the Boys Souts of America? Is this good for America?


“Liberalism,” Kalb says, “is the power that hides itself. To satisfy its promise of equality, freedom, and democracy, it must keep people from exercising their freedom.” It achieves this by declaring all cultures and beliefs to be equal and deserving of equal respect. It follows that none of them can be allowed to exert its authority in respect of anything that matters. “All significant decisions must be made by someone who can pass himself off as an outside authority applying neutral standards of human rights, economic efficiency, and administrative effectiveness.”



Inclusiveness is inherently contradictory. It cannot cope intellectually or politically, for instance, with the reverse racism it encourages and sanctions. Beyond that, it and its twin principle, tolerance, simply “make no sense as general standards,” Kalb says. Because most people are, by official standards, “intolerant,” their simplest actions and ideas, so far from being “tolerated,” must instead be suppressed.



Emphasis on differences creates diversity, and attempting to eliminate their effect suppresses the natural ways people connect and function. The result is a chaotic hodge-podge forced into an artificial order by bureaucracy, propaganda, therapy, and money.

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Lastly, lets discuss how this Liberal view of "inclusiveness" is now changing how teens become involved in high school athletics. Just recently, a New Jersey parent complained about her daughter being "cut" from Hanover Park High School's cheerleading squad. That complaint made the school board change the policy, into an all inclusive one...where no one gets cut.


The New Jersey high school sophomore told CBS New York that she has trained four days a week for the last 10 years in hopes of becoming a member of the prestigious "Black Squad." But now Krueger is worried that all that work was for nothing. That's because her school, in order to be "inclusive," announced a new rule that says anyone who tries out for the cheer team has to be accepted.



Jada Alcontara, a sophomore, argued that the new policy doesn't encourage students to better themselves, News12 reported. “I came up here to state that I did not put in 18 months of work to lead up to this moment, just to be told it didn’t matter anymore,” she said.



Parents were upset by the decision, too. Sharon Iossa said the policy sets a "bad precedent." “Everybody doesn’t get a trophy," she told CBS. "You can’t be a Giants player just because you play football.”



Sandy Prociello, a resident of nearby Whippany, wondered what effect this policy could have on the children later in life. “What about life? What about getting a job? You know?" she told CBS New York. "You’re going to have your mom come with you, too, to hold your hand?”




So, is Liberalism changing America's values for the better?


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posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:03 PM
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Short answer: Yes.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny


I want to pose a question for debate..Is Liberalism determined to tear down America's traditional norms, values, and institutions?


In a word, yes. Liberalism is not changing America for the better... far from it.

Remember fundamentally changing America?

That's been going on since the late 1800's.

They envision a utopia where beneficent technocrats take care of every aspect of a citizen's lives, from cradle to grave, for the betterment of the citizenry. That is pretty much the antitheses of the America most people want, so let's "educate" the masses to ensure they want it!!! Sound like the Democratic Party platform at all?

Now, you can point out that it won't work, show them that human nature ensures that such a system will turn into a tyrannical nation, point out to them the massive failures that have always happened when you attempt a Hegelian approach to running a country.

But no, they are smarter, much smarter than ordinary citizens. This time it will work!

If only they had more followers, more money, more power to do it.

Welcome to the Progressive dream.

S&F
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posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:07 PM
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I thought that was the whole point of America being the melting pot.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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What many call "Liberalism" is indeed detrimental, though I feel its more accurate to call it Statism.

Some liberals, myself included, are pretty against a lot of what is being done under the banner of liberalism in recent times.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

I'm OK with the United States accepting a variety of nationalities and cultures. I'm not OK with a movement wanting to eliminate traditional values in order to be "politically correct" and not offend anyone.

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posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:18 PM
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No what's eroding our culture is nepotism abd corruption

Liberalism is a freedom movement thats been hijacked by communist

Look at the etemyology of the word



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:18 PM
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No what's eroding our culture is nepotism abd corruption

Liberalism is a freedom movement thats been hijacked by communist

Look at the etemyology of the word



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

The better question is, are SJWs eroding US culture?

Not all liberals are fans of the SJW movement. I know many liberals who aren't fans of Antifa stormtroopers.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

Well as with any movement people tend to get carried away but at the same time it wasn't all that long ago the a cookbook was considered women's literature.
Many of our traditional values are repressive to someone.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

Thats because communism isnt liberal

Freedom is liberal we are in a liberal democracy founded on the ideas of libertarianism



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

No, it's happening rather rapidly, not slowly.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

Not "slowly". Not if they can help it.




posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

Liberalism is fine and is a component of American and Western thought. Progressivism and post modernist movements are move of a threat. They claim to be liberal but arent.
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posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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Not at all.

What is changing is loudmouths with no business being in the spot light are focused on.

What is dying are politicians with any semblance of integrity.

Coservatives and liberals

I mean Rand Paul has become framed as a nut for suggesting we freeze spending to balance the budget in 8 years.

I would say spending is plenty liberal.

Classical liberalism is unfortunately dead in politics.
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posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny
I guess it depends what“traditional values” means to you.

Traditional values to me means truth, respect, and care and concern for your fellow human beings, no matter who they are or where they come from. That’s what I was taught as a kid anyway.

If you mean taking things back to how they were in the 1950’s Jeff Sessions style then yeah, burn it all down. Dinosaurs with outdated world views don’t need to be in any position to set the marks for the rest of us.

Not everyone goes through life so scared they try to find refuge in the past.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:35 PM
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I find the circular arguments hilarious.

The far left gets nuts over conservative opinions while proclaiming to respect everyone, then far right makes fun of liberals for thinking like liberals.

Well folks you both miss the point.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

What exactly is American culture?
Last time I checked if I walked from one end of new York city to another end I would see so many different cultural influences I wouldn't know what to call america.

Being liberal means you don't accept the traditional norms of a society, instead you accept change as it comes and embrace it and try to go with it.
Of course there's a lot of bad change but there is also good change that has come from that mindset.
If everyone lived an ultra conservative life style we might as well just live like the Amish people or like super religious people.

I think what has been changing Americas culture is not one mindset alone it's a clash of both. I honestly think the internet plays a much bigger role to be honest.



posted on May, 11 2018 @ 01:42 PM
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It's always been done that way. Really?

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