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Chula Vista school mural depicts severed, speared Trump head

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posted on May, 6 2018 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: DBCowboy

That was a reply to -


Depends. Did I pay you to paint on my property?


You pay me, I paint something your neighbors find offensive and it's is against the guidelines you gave me, it's not a free speech issue.


STOP!

Was it against the guidelines?



Does not matter. You or the school can change your mind at any time and repaint it. It's not the artists call as they don't own the property. It is simply not a free speech issue.

How about a school hires someone to paint a fence at a pre-school and does not give them a set of rules. They paint child pornography on the pre-school fence. Making them repaint it or painting over it is a free speech issues just because they were paid? You pay someone, you own their work and can do what you wish with the product right?




posted on May, 6 2018 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
My money, my decision.


You summed it up in four words.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

The only reason for the change is that some were offended.

Not because the school didn't like it.

Because some were offended.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Do we know this for sure? The article is a little unclear. The school’s official position was that this image was not in allignment with their non-violence policy. They didn’t say they were changing it because people were offended. I don’t know how long the mural was up before complaints came in. I don’t know if the school was totally aware and cool with the mural before the complaints came in. It’s not clear from the article.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: seattlerat

I like the original and the *collaborative* (modified) version. Both have a lot to say about how pathetic American politics are.

As an artist, I would love to paint my own contribution on that blank board.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv


To be honest, I don't know for sure.

But I have a tendency to knee-jerk with these issues, hence my posts.

I'd rather default towards freedom and sometimes be wrong, than the other way 'round.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

There's no such thing as a school liking or disliking something, it's the people at the school who like or dislike things. Maybe one Trump hater commissioned it. Why would their voice count more?

What we do know is that the people of the school dislike it, that means the school dislikes it.
edit on 6-5-2018 by OccamsRazor04 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: seattlerat

So... The good question is, is the artist going to face charges? I'm not a fan of Trump, but depicting essentially a death threat doesn't fall under the First Amendment. A person can and will be charged for making death threats against government officials. They don't even need to be officials, you can be charged for it even if your target is just some random guy down the street, particularly if something actually happens to them.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: seattlerat

I'm no Trump supporter and I find him despicable but I find this very distasteful. It's really like uttering death threats.



She drew an Aztec priest and looking at it nicely done. If your truly offended by this I might suggest stop reading stories like this. No point in getting all mad about nothing.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: UnendingVigilance
a reply to: Byrd

I know a lot of alternative schools go up to 24 in our area while most highschools cap at 18.


Alternative schools that go up to 24? Aren’t they known as colleges?



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

That's not sufficient reason? An image of the Presidents head impaled on a spear is not a reasonable thing to be offended by or removed from the fence of a school?

It was the school that cited the non-violence policy. They lied?

Come on DBC, be real here. The school is not the personal property of the artist. There is simply no way this is a free speech issue. Now if someone wanted to parade up and down a public sidewalk, not obstructing others paths, carrying a sign with that artwork on, then yes free speech and more power to them.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 07:28 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: kaylaluv


To be honest, I don't know for sure.

But I have a tendency to knee-jerk with these issues, hence my posts.

I'd rather default towards freedom and sometimes be wrong, than the other way 'round.


Freedom isnt part of the equation when you have personal property rights being ignored.

You are very wrong here. His right to expression doesnt supercede someone elses property rights



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: SKEPTEK
Replace Trump's head with Obama's and see how quickly it's removed and there is town hall meetings on raycism.


Are you for real. They have no reason to hate Obama. I'm not sure there is a country in the world that doesn't feel the same way about spanky aka draft dodger in chief aka tRump. You do realize that people such as yourself remain the minority.



posted on May, 6 2018 @ 08:39 PM
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He painted a severed head at a school, he should be commited



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: hoss53

People don't need a reason to hate, that's become clear since the last election if it wasn't before. Nice dodging the point too.



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

No, they are for kids who drop out or expelled and don't have a HS diploma yet (I think that is what he refers to)



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: seattlerat


The artist is a dick, but even dicks have a right to free expression.


The vidja games that kids play today are far more graphic. This is censorship, not matter the reason.

It's really inappropriate and disrespectful to the office of the President to be displayed in a school setting. And to think that the secularists of today are obsessed with removing the Ten Commandments from public display..... I think people's priorities are a bit mixed up. As much as I dislike some former POTUS's, Im not in favor of such a graphic display for any President in this setting.



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