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Iowa set to ban abortions after six weeks

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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 05:38 AM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

there has been no advances in medical science though that would suggest that a 6 week fetus IS VIABLE. the states can enforce restrictions on abortion with the purpose of ensuring the health and welfare of the mother... just like they can do for any medical issue, the court decided that they had no compelling interest in the potential life till the point of viability...
which isn't anywhere even close to 6 weeks.
which is as close to a ban as you could possibly get while still claiming that it isn't and having at least some people buy your claim.


edit on 15-5-2018 by dawnstar because: (no reason given)




posted on May, 15 2018 @ 05:48 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Teikiatsu

there has been no advances in medical science though that would suggest that a 6 week fetus IS VIABLE though. the states can enforce restrictions on abortion with the purpose of ensuring the health and welfare of the mother... just like they can do for any medical issue, the court decides that they had no compelling interest in the potential life till the point of viability...
which isn't anywhere even close to 6 weeks.
which is as close to a ban as you could possibly get while still claiming that it isn't and having at least some people buy your claim.


Yes. Imo your viability begins at the zygote.
6 weeks is human life.
That is my slogan
Zygote for life.
Selfish mothers who want to do wicked things to their own and blame men are the problem.
I yearn for the day we had loving mothers as a norm.
Now it is like they have gone mad with bloodlust.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 06:14 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Teikiatsu


How come you left out this part of the decision?


With respect to the State's important and legitimate interest in potential life, the "compelling" point is at viability. This is so because the fetus then presumably has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother's womb. State regulation protective of fetal life after viability thus has both logical and biological justifications. If the State is interested in protecting fetal life after viability, it may go so far as to proscribe abortion


SCOTUS never authorized the states to proscribe abortion when a heart beat is detected. States may only proscribe abortion, consititutionally, after viability is achieved.

This law is unconstitutional, and will never see the light of day. It will be be blocked by the circuit court, like others of its kind. It's a waste of tax payers' money.




Yes, just like mj. And insurance. And



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 04:57 PM
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Yep... That didn't take long!

Planned Parenthood, ACLU Sue to Stop Iowa's 'Fetal Heartbeat' Abortion Ban


Planned Parenthood and the Iowa branch of the American Civil Liberties Union said they sued on Tuesday to stop a state law from coming into effect that would impose the strictest abortion limits in the United States.
www.newsmax.com...



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 05:25 PM
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hope no one's surprised at that...
the good news is that the state attorney general have refused to defend this law and I think it was the thomas moore society that's doing it, for free, so at least it's gonna be a little bit cheaper for the taxpayer.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 08:23 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Teikiatsu




Blocking something does not mean it is unconstitutional, and the State can still appeal.

Actually, not. There is no appealing a SCOTUS ruling.

However, the Court can overrule a prior decision when a new case comes before it. As this one might do. If the Court agrees to consider it. Because there is no doubt it will be contested all the way there.


We're not talking about appealing Roe vs Wade. We're talking about a circuit court and the new Iowa regulation.


originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Teikiatsu


What Phage said. This law is unconstitutional, according the guideline established in Roe V Wade. The threshold for states to ban abortion is viability, not a detectable heart beat, or pain capability or 20 weeks. Until the law is changed, it's still viability.



Define viability.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Yep... That didn't take long!

Planned Parenthood, ACLU Sue to Stop Iowa's 'Fetal Heartbeat' Abortion Ban


Planned Parenthood and the Iowa branch of the American Civil Liberties Union said they sued on Tuesday to stop a state law from coming into effect that would impose the strictest abortion limits in the United States.
www.newsmax.com...



Gosh the ACLU sued to trample State sovereignty. Never saw that coming. What a waste of money.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Teikiatsu

there has been no advances in medical science though that would suggest that a 6 week fetus IS VIABLE. the states can enforce restrictions on abortion with the purpose of ensuring the health and welfare of the mother... just like they can do for any medical issue, the court decided that they had no compelling interest in the potential life till the point of viability...
which isn't anywhere even close to 6 weeks.
which is as close to a ban as you could possibly get while still claiming that it isn't and having at least some people buy your claim.



If they weren't viable organisms, then they would die in the womb. And once removed prematurely, it's never a guarantee they will survive.

The 'viability' argument is idiotic. I am not saying abortions should be automatically illegal, but I am saying there needs to be a better threshold than a nebulous penumbra emanation.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 08:39 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Sookiechacha

hope no one's surprised at that...
the good news is that the state attorney general have refused to defend this law and I think it was the thomas moore society that's doing it, for free, so at least it's gonna be a little bit cheaper for the taxpayer.



Then the State Attorney General needs to be fired if they won't do their job.



posted on May, 15 2018 @ 10:18 PM
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Define viability.



With respect to the State's important and legitimate interest in potential life, the "compelling" point is at viability. This is so because the fetus then presumably has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother's womb. State regulation protective of fetal life after viability thus has both logical and biological justifications. If the State is interested in protecting fetal life after viability, it may go so far as to proscribe abortion


Accordiing to the Roe V Wade ruling, viability = has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother's womb.



Gosh the ACLU sued to trample State sovereignty.


Actually, the lawsuit claims that the Iowa law violates Iowa's own state constitution. They're not even "going there" with the federal statute.



Then the State Attorney General needs to be fired if they won't do their job.


It isn't the State Attorney General's job to file frivolous lawsuits, in detriment of the taxpayer's best interest.


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posted on May, 15 2018 @ 11:22 PM
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why??? wouldn't surprise me if he backed out because thomas moore society, or whichever one it was, wanted to take on the case, free of charge, and they probably have far more experience trying to convince the courts support laws like this one.




The age of viability (also known as fetal viability) is the age at which a fetus can live outside of the womb. The age of viability is around 24 weeks but fetuses as early as 22 weeks can survive with stringent and intense medical intervention.

www.alleydog.com...


well, I am sorry, but the supreme court used the word viability.
maybe because they figured that if that "compelling interest" was so strong that it could force a women to continue a pregnancy that was making her miserable, then it should also be strong enough to ensure that any miscarriage that resulted in a live birth, regardless of gestational age, should be given whatever life saving medical care that could be provided in an attempt to save it, regardless of cost, or prognosis. which is something that I believe that federal gov't seems to feel that it doesn't have a compelling interest in until the 23 week ... although it might have changed recently. it certainly isn't at six weeks though.



posted on Jun, 1 2018 @ 12:33 PM
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Judge temporarily blocks Iowa's 'fetal heartbeat' law while lawsuit is resolved www.desmoinesregister.com... thomas-more-court/659529002/

So, there's that.

Anyway...…………….sigh



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