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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Edumakated
who and what defines "worth" though? what is "worth"?
yes, you are hired to do a Job, you produce something, the boss/owner takes what you produce and profits on it, giving you what someone ( they, the state etc) determined is your worth, your "value"... and you don't see a problem with that?
Here in the reality of socialism you have a tiny oligarchial clique at the top, usually numbering no more than three percent of the total population, controlling the total wealth, total production and the very lives of the other ninety-seven percent. Certainly even the most naive observe that Mr. Brezhnev doesn't live like one of the poor peasants out on the great Russian steppes. But, according to socialist theory, he is supposed to do just that!
If one understands that socialism is not a share-the Wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth..
originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Edumakated
In a "Perfect system, in a Perfect world" the worker gets to decide who they get to work for, we both know that is false, few people have the leisure of picking the job that will pay them what they value themselves, due to the basic fact the employer has that authority to hire you or not, it is a utopic dream to believe that you can select who hires you and your value, especially under Capitalism
originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Edumakated
"Free Market" is a myth, sold to you by these Capitalist Cultists theorists
X works at a Job has the talents and skill set to be a manager, values himself as such, his current Job won't promote X, they go to another company, present themselves get rejected, go to another company, rejected, has to settle for a "lower value job elsewhere"
we can view ourselves as our own gods, but in the current systems, it relies on "who" will also value you as such, especially when they can get other people to do the same job at a lower value
you act as if you can decide "who" hires you
originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Edumakated
"Free Market" is a myth, sold to you by these Capitalist Cultists theorists
X works at a Job has the talents and skill set to be a manager, values himself as such, his current Job won't promote X, they go to another company, present themselves get rejected, go to another company, rejected, has to settle for a "lower value job elsewhere"
we can view ourselves as our own gods, but in the current systems, it relies on "who" will also value you as such, especially when they can get other people to do the same job at a lower value
you act as if you can decide "who" hires you
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: amazing
Overall, it is clear that the Scandinavian countries are not in fact Archetypes of successful Democratic Socialism. Sanders has convinced a great deal of people that Socialism is something it is not, and he has used the Scandinavian countries to prove its Efficacy while ignoring the many ways they Deviate, sometimes Dramatically, from what Sanders himself advocates.
The Scandinavians Embrace a brand of Free-Market Capitalism that exists in conjunction with a large Welfare State, known as the “Nordic Model,” which includes many policies that Democratic Socialists would likely abhor. This is why Bernie Sanders would Never become President Of the United States because the Majority of it's Citizens Still Cling to Free Market Capitalism .
originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Akragon
Socialism is an ideal that sounds great in classrooms, coffee shops, beer halls.
But not so good when put in place because; people.
People will never make socialism function well because people are lazy, greedy, corrupt.
Seems to me that if you were to replace the word socialism with capitalism you have just described our world as it is today.
In a "Perfect system, in a Perfect world" the worker gets to decide who they get to work for, we both know that is false, few people have the leisure of picking the job that will pay them what they value themselves, due to the basic fact the employer has that authority to hire you or not, it is a utopic dream to believe that you can select who hires you and your value, especially under Capitalism