Giuliani: Trump fired Comey because he wouldn't say he wasn't a target in investigation

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Okay but thats not really what the thread is about. It's about Giuliani saying what he did on tv and what in heck kind of strategy do they have in mind.
It's generally agreed he didn't need a reason so why are they offering this one that sounds so self servings do you think is his reason?

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Okay but thats not really what the thread is about. It's about Giuliani saying what he did on tv and what in heck kind of strategy do they have in mind.
It's generally agreed he didn't need a reason so why are they offering this one that sounds so self servings do you think is his reason?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: soberbacchus

It's like having your crazy uncle litigating for you.

According to sources, both the Stormy about face and the Comey firing about face were thought up by only Trump and Giuliani in personal discussions. Not his full legal team or the recent heavyweight litigator the team brought on. It caught the rest of the legal team and WH staff off-guard.

Politics aside, this is why he is churning through lawyers and very few good ones will even consider joining the team. You can come up with a disciplined defense strategy and Trump can and does wreck it on a whim.

originally posted by: intrepid
I can't keep track. How many people has Trump fired since taking office?

Not enough.

a reply to: soberbacchus
You prove my point. TY.

From your source:"I have ACCEPTED the (RR's) recommendation."
That is an 'official' act.

Saying "I would've done it anyway" is 'unofficial' political bluster.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: soberbacchus
You prove my point. TY.

From your source:"I have ACCEPTED the (RR's) recommendation."
That is an 'official' act.

Saying "I would've done it anyway" is 'unofficial' political bluster.

A Presidents words are legally admissible in any and every court of law.

Lester: Did you ask for a recommendation?
Trump: What I did was. I was going to fire Comey. My decision.
Lester: You had made the decision before...
Trump: I was going to fire Comey.
...
Lester: In the letter you said "I have accepted the recommendation"
Trump: Oh, I was going to fire him regardless of recommendation.
....
Trump: Regardless of recommendation I was going to fire Comey

"And in fact when I decided to do it, I said to myself, ya know this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story"

Sounds like Giuliani is doing exactly what he said he would do and is helping to bring the investigations to an end.

Part of that will be for Trump to admit to the things everyone already knows. Like for example: Trump "fired Comey because Comey would not, among other things say that he wasn’t a target of the investigation".

The question still remains whether or not he had the authority to do this or if it is obstruction. I assume Trump and Giuliani will argue he had the authority to take this action.

Same with the Stormy Daniels revelations. Everyone knows Trump plaid a part in her pay off; now that he admits it we can get to the part of whether that's illegal or not.

My guess, based on the way they are handling this now and the way the Muller investigation is going, is that Muller doent have enough to file charges and Trump's team knows it. Muller will settle for the next best thing; writing a report with words like "extremely careless" and "no reasonable prosecutor" in it.

The whole thing will end on a political note. The Dems will use the report on their way to the 2018 election and Trump is now trying to get out ahead of it by taking some air out of the accusations.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Okay but thats not really what the thread is about...
It's generally agreed he didn't need a reason ...

End of thread. He could fire him for whatever he wanted. Thanks for playing.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Okay but thats not really what the thread is about...
It's generally agreed he didn't need a reason ...

End of thread. He could fire him for whatever he wanted. Thanks for playing.

He had the authority to fire him, but that does not alleviate him from the potential consequences of doing so, if his intent was to somehow alter the process or outcome of the investigation.

There is a lot more context to this issue that many people do not understand or present in their arguments.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: IAMTAT
I thought Rosenstein recommended Trump fire Comey.

Right.

Now the story has changed.

That is what this OP is about.

Sidenote: Rosenstein had no authority or decision making ability to fire Comey.

Rosenstein did write a letter recommending Comey be fired. Unless you want to change reality, then that stands.

As for why Trump fired Comey, it doesn't really matter. He can fire the FBI Director for any reason he so wishes. Everyone in the Executive branch serves at his pleasure. That is the power of the President. It would seem reasonable to fire Comey if he believed he was not prepared to tell the public what he had already told Trump. I'd have fired him too if I even suspected him of playing politics.

The bottom line is that it was up to Trump and he needs no reason, yet he also has the recommendation of the AG and deputy AG to fall back on. Seems he is on solid ground.

The collusion case is dead.
The obstruction case is dead.
The left is now grubbing around with porn star whores trying to get some campaign finance violation to stick. That's what they are left with. It suits them.

a reply to: soberbacchus

So the fact that Comey wouldn't publicly tell the truth, and wanted to keep cloud of doubt over Trump wasn't for the sake of partisanship?

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: soberbacchus

So the fact that Comey wouldn't publicly tell the truth, and wanted to keep cloud of doubt over Trump wasn't for the sake of partisanship?

Comey has made it abundantly clear that he's a partisan hack, and Trump was correct to fire him. I'm curious if even Introvert or Sillyofme are willing to deny that.

a reply to AndyFromMichigan

Most likely they'll just say he's a registered Republican and dismiss his actions that speak to the contrary.

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: soberbacchus

So the fact that Comey wouldn't publicly tell the truth, and wanted to keep cloud of doubt over Trump wasn't for the sake of partisanship?

The status of "Target" and "Subject" of investigation is apt to change over time.

This is why Rosenstein has told the President privately (in the past) he is not a "Target" in the investigation, but will not do it publicly.

This is why the intelligence community chiefs Trump himself has appointed have refused Trumps requests to publicly declare that Trump did not engage in collusion.

It is not the FBI's job to make public statements for pure political purposes at the direction of the President and the FBI Director publicly announces conclusions, not day by day status of investigations.

The public learns the outcome when the investigation is finished.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: IAMTAT
I thought Rosenstein recommended Trump fire Comey.

Right.

Now the story has changed.

That is what this OP is about.

Sidenote: Rosenstein had no authority or decision making ability to fire Comey.

Rosenstein did write a letter recommending Comey be fired. Unless you want to change reality, then that stands.

And Trump has said publicly he had made the decision to fire Comey before he asked for that letter and the reason was the Russia Investigation.

Trump's Attorney just said he fired Comey for not making a public declaration that Trump was not a target of the investigation.

originally posted by: UKTruth


As for why Trump fired Comey, it doesn't really matter. He can fire the FBI Director for any reason he so wishes. Everyone in the Executive branch serves at his pleasure.

The act of firing Comey was legal.

It also is evidence of obstruction of justice, which is illegal.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: IAMTAT
I thought Rosenstein recommended Trump fire Comey.

Right.

Now the story has changed.

That is what this OP is about.

Sidenote: Rosenstein had no authority or decision making ability to fire Comey.

The bottom line is that it was up to Trump and he needs no reason,

He doesn't need a reason, but he explained his reason was to disrupt the Russia Investigation.
Firing is legal.
It is also evidence of Obstruction of Justice.

You seem to be confused about that simple reality.

originally posted by: DanDanDat

The question still remains whether or not he had the authority to do this or if it is obstruction.

Both.
The firing and Trump's reason for the firing are evidence in Obstruction of Justice.
Along with a litany of other less discussed evidence of him trying to subvert the investigation.

That has nothing to do with his "authority" to fire the FBI Director.

The REASON he fired him constitutes Obstruction of Justice.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Okay but thats not really what the thread is about...
It's generally agreed he didn't need a reason ...

End of thread. He could fire him for whatever he wanted. Thanks for playing.

Nobody has said the act of firing Comey was Illegal?

Do you have a wig and lipstick for that straw-man?

The REASON for the firing, which he has publicly and privately stated is strong and compelling evidence of Obstruction of Justice.

“If Trump exercises his power — even his lawful power — with a corrupt motive of interfering with an investigation, that’s obstruction,” says Lisa Kern Griffin, an expert on criminal law at Duke University. “The attempt is sufficient, and it seems to be a matter of public record already.”

www.vox.com...

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: soberbacchus

So the fact that Comey wouldn't publicly tell the truth, and wanted to keep cloud of doubt over Trump wasn't for the sake of partisanship?

Comey has made it abundantly clear that he's a partisan hack, and Trump was correct to fire him. I'm curious if even Introvert or Sillyofme are willing to deny that.

I would be willing to comment if you could provide the specific quote of what Comey said.

Have a quote/link?

Though, it really doesn't matter what Comey said, if there is proof that Trump fired Comey with the intent to alter or affect the investigation, whether it was his right or not.