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Is violating campaign finance laws reason for impeachment

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posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:14 AM
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So as we have been told over and over again, the Stormy Daniels situation is a big deal.

Not because trump had sex with her 10 years before being in office, but because his payment to her may have violated campaign finance laws.

I am all for investigating to see if any laws were broke.

My question is, how big of a deal are violating campaign finance laws?

Should he be impeached if he broke them?

Should his lawyers office have been raided over this?

Should the media be rabid in covering this?

I just wanted to see what people’s opinions were on how serious violations of campaign finance law are.




posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:16 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

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I gave it a little time.

But the reason I asked this question is I think people would be interested to know that none other than Barack Obama did indeed break campaign finance laws.


Barack Obama's presidential campaign has been fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for violating federal disclosure laws, Politico reports.

An FEC audit of Obama for America's 2008 records found the committee failed to disclose millions of dollars in contributions and dragged its feet in refunding millions more in excess contributions.

The resulting fine, one of the largest ever handed down by the FEC, is the result of a failure to disclose or improperly disclosing thousands of contributions to Obama for America during the then-senator's 2008 presidential run, documents show.


www.usnews.com...

Isnt that strange? I dont remember all of the people calling for trumps blood saying much of a peep about Obama doing this.

Anyone recall any calls for Obama's impeachment over the breaking of these laws?

Anyone remember Obamas lawyers office being raided?

How about nonstop coverage in the MSM over this?

I just thought it would be interesting to see if people held Obama an trump to the same standard.

My feelings are if Trump borke this law, let fines be levied against him, same as with Obama.


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posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

*sigh*

I really just need to put this in my signature. . .

If Trump broke the law, he should be punished. Period.

No debate. No discussion.


If we start making excuses for "our" political person, then we're no better than the leftists who defend Obama and Hillary.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:20 AM
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The typical crowd is unsure how to react
. SnF for being objective as always.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
So as we have been told over and over again, the Stormy Daniels situation is a big deal.

Not because trump had sex with her 10 years before being in office, but because his payment to her may have violated campaign finance laws.

I am all for investigating to see if any laws were broke.

My question is, how big of a deal are violating campaign finance laws?

Should he be impeached if he broke them?

Should his lawyers office have been raided over this?

Should the media be rabid in covering this?

I just wanted to see what people’s opinions were on how serious violations of campaign finance law are.


Still waiting on someone to explain how he violated campaign finance laws.

It is a serious offense only to the degree that other politicians hate the opponent.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

May have broke campaign finance law....how do we arrive at this? A gut feeling?



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes but what should that punishment be is my question?

Should impeachment be in the table?



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: verschickter
The typical crowd is unsure how to react
. SnF for being objective as always.

You literally posted that 6 minutes after the thread was posted when the majority of American members on this board are probably still asleep.

On Topic

I am all for this being investigated if there is reasonable suspicion that campaign funds were used. I am against this being investigated just because people don't like Trump and are witch hunting.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes but what should that punishment be is my question?

Should impeachment be in the table?


Sure.


If Trump broke the law, why give him a pass?



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Grambler

May have broke campaign finance law....how do we arrive at this? A gut feeling?


I have seen no proof there has been.

But it’s wirth asking at this point what the consequences of that should be if he did.

Does it justify the media’s coverage of this or the raiding of cohens office?

And so forth



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Grambler,

Personally speaking, I think campaign finance laws are a joke, and if a candidate manages to actually break them, then yes, there is probably grounds for impeachment, and here is why:

The rules as they stand are so utterly open, inviting to abuse almost, the loopholes in them so broad, and the actual likelihood of proper enforcement so small, that if a person has managed to violate even these utterly pathetic rules, which do not properly protect the electorate from corporate influence or any other ill, then one must have done something either catastrophically stupid (in which case one is mentally unfit for duty) or has tried to game the system and therefore the people, (in which case one is morally unfit for duty).

The rules are only as weak as they are, because people have been purchasing the favour of political figures since God was a boy, and the system has to BE SEEN to attempt to curtail this habitual influence peddling. If misusing campaign finances, in order to buy off a porn star, so that during an attempt at a presidential run, you can appear sparkling before your people is not a gross violation of those rules, as well as a frankly unsurprising but utterly cowardly attempt to hoodwink a nation into believing in ones trustworthiness, then perhaps no rules, laws or guidance in life has any meaning.

Perhaps we should let all the murderers and drug runners, the black market weapons dealers, the cartel members and mafiosos out of jail too, while we are at it, since nothing means anything anymore?



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes but what should that punishment be is my question?

Should impeachment be in the table?


Sure.


If Trump broke the law, why give him a pass?


Well I agree with that.

But breaking the law doesn’t necessarily mean he should be impeached

Perhaps a fine or something instead

I was just interested in seeing how people felt

Persoanllay I don’t know that violating campaign finance laws rises to the level of impeachment



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:28 AM
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posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

You´re right, I was a bit too fast. But I guess something will reflect what I ment. Those who feel adressed will star your post, this is a psychologic experiment. Probably 1/3 will do because they don´t understood what I ment
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Let the results trickle in



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Impeachment isn't the only way to punish a law breaker in office. It reads to me that the op is wondering if impeachment is appropriate for the transgression they mentioned. I don't see where they've suggested it appropriate for Trump to go unpunished.

I'm curious as well, if his actions warrant impeachment or something lesser as punishment.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

They can vote for impeachment if he farts loudly during a speech.


*shrugs*



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

impeachment is political not criminal,
congress can impeach for whatever they vote to be "high crimes and misdomeaners"



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Grambler

impeachment is political not criminal,
congress can impeach for whatever they vote to be "high crimes and misdomeaners"



Oh yes I know

That’s why I was wondering what people thought because it’s subjective

Is there anyone who feels violating campaign finance laws does rise to the level of impeachment?



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

When was the campaign finance law put into law?



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

If we were discussing Hillary instead of Trump, I wonder how the conversation would be going.

I know.

"Whataboutism".

But still, we should be objective when discussing crimes or the possibility of crimes.




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