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can america win their first ever war with iran ??

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posted on May, 3 2018 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: SATURN66

I always thought it was funny how Japan gets so much sympathy for WWII and not the Germans, when Japan was committing war crimes against the Chinese, Koreans, and other SE Asian people just as terrible if not more so than the Nazis

Also, if Russia was such great allies with the west why was Churchill trying so hard to get the allied powers to take out Russia after the nazis were defeated?

You sure do seem to mix in a lot conjecture and speculation in with your "facts".

Those must be some of them alternative facts we hear about so much.




posted on May, 3 2018 @ 06:15 AM
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originally posted by: GraffikPleasure

originally posted by: SATURN66

originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
Define "win a war".
The military might of the US could collapse the Iranian government in under a week with conventional weapons and cyberwarfare. 100%. Nothing short of a full declaration of war against Nato by russian and direct hostilities could stop that. Sorry but that is a fact.

Sustaining all the stuff that comes after that? Thats another case entirely. One i dont think the american people have the will for. The middle east would likely turn into one giant sunni vs #e bloodbathe.


i go back to the last posts if that were true and the us milatry machine was so over welming why you still bogged down in those inferier countrys??


Because the US has prescence... it’s a base. They do it all around the world. Plus the money to be made by the MIC.

Can you also explain how you claim Russia helped Trump in NK?

Thanks



russia /china get rid of Us preance now that north and south have signed the peace treaty, no war no reason to stay there win win for russia

the south koreans dont want US troops on their soil fact,japan dont want US troops on their land fact,their only reason for being there was north korea and that problem is being sorted, so do you really think they will let you guys stay and spoil it i dont think so do you ??



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: SATURN66

I always thought it was funny how Japan gets so much sympathy for WWII and not the Germans, when Japan was committing war crimes against the Chinese, Koreans, and other SE Asian people just as terrible if not more so than the Nazis

Also, if Russia was such great allies with the west why was Churchill trying so hard to get the allied powers to take out Russia after the nazis were defeated?

You sure do seem to mix in a lot conjecture and speculation in with your "facts".

Those must be some of them alternative facts we hear about so much.


unlike america we dont try to change our history to fit the argument unlike usa, we accept our mistakes and learn by them

we were just as bad as the germans in our prison camps so we are no angels and never claimed to be,
history is there for a reason, to learn by bad mistakes and try not to make them again,
its a concept the US cant understand thats why you tear down your statues of great leaders in your history and burning your flag thats suppose to mean so much to you, try that stuff in our country and see how far you get before joe public strings you up..YOU cannot change history no matter how much you try



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: SATURN66

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: SATURN66

I always thought it was funny how Japan gets so much sympathy for WWII and not the Germans, when Japan was committing war crimes against the Chinese, Koreans, and other SE Asian people just as terrible if not more so than the Nazis

Also, if Russia was such great allies with the west why was Churchill trying so hard to get the allied powers to take out Russia after the nazis were defeated?

You sure do seem to mix in a lot conjecture and speculation in with your "facts".

Those must be some of them alternative facts we hear about so much.


unlike america we dont try to change our history to fit the argument unlike usa, we accept our mistakes and learn by them

we were just as bad as the germans in our prison camps so we are no angels and never claimed to be,
history is there for a reason, to learn by bad mistakes and try not to make them again,
its a concept the US cant understand thats why you tear down your statues of great leaders in your history and burning your flag thats suppose to mean so much to you, try that stuff in our country and see how far you get before joe public strings you up..YOU cannot change history no matter how much you try


Ahh, this is something I can agree with you on 100%

America is terrible with revisionist history and trying to erase or ignore the nasty parts that got us here.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: SATURN66

Nope, as a lot of the terrain in Iran will make any ground war a complete nightmare.

Don't expect to be using Tanks/APC in the same manner as Gulf War 1/2, because it's not Iraq or Kuwait city.

Prepare for an another Vietnam really.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 07:18 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

You will probably find a significant proportion of the Iranian population will revolt against the Mullahs and want to reshape their country. Especially the youth who want to join the rest of the world. As long as the war is limited and aims to put the Iranian nuke development back to square one there shouldn't be a need for any Iraq style occupation.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

You don't win wars without boots on the ground, fact!

We start hitting them with cruise missiles from a distance and my bets is that the population will unite not revolt.

If you need proof of such simply look at how the U.K dealt with the Nazi blitz, V1/V2s back in WW2.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 07:29 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

True. Maybe they will need to invade and occupy for a few decades. Maybe leave that to the Saudis
Once the nuke sites are taken out what is the point in staying in Iran? I mean Iran can't really go anywhere, they are totally surrounded. They are making a play for it in Syria but that is them falling into a trap.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Irans Oil and rare Earth elements would be reason enough to stay.

Depends how you look at the situation, Iran is a powerful nation regionally wise, so are the surrounded or entrenched?

The traps already sprung, hence our involvement really.
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posted on May, 3 2018 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Depends how you look at the situation, Iran is a powerful nation regionally wise, so are the surrounded or entrenched?



You need to check out the USA bases around Iran. It's mental. Even the Brits have some kit there ready to go too. Add the CSGs into the equation plus the Arabians and the Israelis and Iran is pretty much surrounded. If I was living in Iran right now I'd be on the first plane out of that place.

Iran will be a walk over initially, it's just the long term holding the place that is going to take its toll with the occupiers. A few lads killed every day will be on the media every day and the wests stomach for staying will be tested long term as the coffins return home.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

There is not a nation on Earth that could stand up to our combined air powers for more than a week, with possibly Russia being the exception, they might last 2 weeks. LoL

Then the fun begins though, too many mountainous regions in Iran to hold on to the place and not be fighting a sustained Guerrilla war every day of the week.

We cannot hold Iran, even if we did manage to take the place.
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posted on May, 3 2018 @ 07:59 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Yeah I know where you are coming from on that type of terrain. As soon as there is a bit of increased tension with Moscow they'll retaliate by turning up te gas on our occupation of Iran by supplying whoever wants to take a shot at us. The terrain is probably why they haven't gone in already. I suppose the war could be won by just killing off everyone yes all Iranians old style ways but that is not the pc way to go these days. It's a tricky one really



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:22 AM
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there are so many senorios in which this could end,
i think the worst one would be if iraq/syria/turkey and some of the saudie tribes do a U-turn and back iran, even tho turkey is a UN member they want the otterman empire back in place which rulled all the arab states,
if that happened all western milatry in all those countrys would not get a chance at entery into iran, you would be looking at all those nations turn on all our troops in those regeions that would be one nightmare senorio and the only airs that would be flyin is bring our troops home in body bags and that would make a lot our goverments fall



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: SATURN66

That is an interesting scenario in which the locals could evict the outsiders. But I know which side I'd be batting for........ Any side that has the USA and its economic and military might behind it.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: SATURN66

In my opinion, if you want to know how Americans feel about this, then address Americans instead of addressing "America". Since America is a country, it wont be able to answer you back, but Americans are people and I'm sure would be glad to let you know how they feel.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 09:11 AM
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Don't get me wrong i would love to see Iran return to the stability of the early 1970s.

But the hardline Iranians might have something to say about that involving the use ok Nukes.

And that simply would not be worth the cost in life nor the radioactive fallout that would follow.
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posted on May, 3 2018 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: SATURN66

"if iraq/syria/turkey and some of the saudie tribes do a U-turn and back iran, even tho turkey is a UN member they want the otterman empire back in place which rulled all the arab states"

And any boots on the ground or massive air strikes on the Iranian infostructure may provoke exactly that.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Good point, they probably wouldn't like to be nuked. It really is a tricky one but there is only one way USA can win that I can think of now everything else has been put away. Get their proxy Saudi Arabia to invade Iran, you know just like the old Saddam style way in the 80's. But the Saudi military might come a bit stuck so the Yanks need to dress up as Arabians in disguise then invade Iran. It's one way to keep the war 'regional' and the public in the USA will not care too much as they will be seeing Arabs only not Americans getting killed.



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: SATURN66

originally posted by: expatwhite

originally posted by: SATURN66
lets have some fun with this...

america keeps Threatening a war with iran when they have never won a war to date??

with that in mind .

why waste billions of dollars of army equitment and thousands of lifes milatry and civilians and destroy whole citys which america will pay to rebuild afterwords just to try to win their first war in history ??
is it worth all that to try to get something you know you will never have ??
you must remeber you are the youngest country in this battle, that you belittle other countrys that will not support this, just remeber the countrys you belittle are alot older and wisser when it comes to war, so they are not so eager to indulge your fantasy of getting your first war victory....


NOW LET THE BATTLE OF WORDS BEGIN




Didn't they win the "first" war they fought - the revolutionary war?


i think if you read your hitory before they change it yet again the mercinarions won that battle only 25% were american


Lol history.. What an idiot..



posted on May, 3 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Are you talking about the Shah?




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