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Rudy Giuliani Admits Trump Repaid Cohen

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posted on May, 2 2018 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: Phage

I would concede that morality would play a roll for a lot of people but the question the OP asked about was "He did what now? A felony?" Even if his lawyer wasn't referring to that in this instance when he said felony, in a number of public interviews, he's taken to try and tar someone in the public eye in a manner that seems like he should be able to. Yet there doesn't seem to be legal ground for it. So the question would still remain. Even if Cohen paid her and Trump eventually paid him back, was there a criminal act perpetrated? I guess where the money Trump paid came from would be most relevant, not THAT he paid.





posted on May, 2 2018 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: Urantia1111

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burdman30ott6




There is no legal mandate to ever tell the media anything, truth or otherwise.
Nor a moral one either. Right? Why lie about it though? Habit?


I don't think Avenatti was talking about Trump's public lies, though there are many of them. He's smarter than that.


He banged a porn star. Cool by me, but not everyone.

If you could hide that very personal part of your life, you would, especially if youre a famous celebrity and businessman. He could and did.

I have no problem with that.

Why dont you post that list of everyone youve slept with? No morals?


Most people I have talked to do give a damn about the sex but the possible use of campaign funds before the election to hide it.



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: babybunnies
Actually, Giuliani said that the payments happened "over a few months".

If this was done to avoid having to report bank transfers over $10,000, then yes, this is absolutely a crime, and a FEDERAL one, at that.

It's called WIRE FRAUD. And if it was spread over 13 payments, that's 13 counts of a Federal crime.

Each count carries potentially 20 years in prison and $250,000 fine.

if it's shown this was 13 payments of $10,000 each rather than 1 payment of $130,000 that was reported (it obviously wasn't), then it's definitely time to be talking about impeachment.

www.greenspunlaw.com...

"A person charged with wire fraud can face a separate charge for each act of fraud. For a single conviction of wire fraud, you could face the following penalties: Prison sentence of up to 20 years. Fines not exceeding $250,000"



You know what a retainer is?

The lawyer is "on call" "on the payroll"

Getting paid to take care of stuff when it pops up.

Nice try.



Such arrogance.

Yes, if we got back five years and see a pattern of such payments made as a "retainer" and nothing breaks in the pattern, you an be correct.

However, if suddenly the lawyer incurs $130,000 in expenses, and the "retainer" is paid in increments under $10,000 so as to not trip reporting requirements, and there is no pattern of this being the usual course of business, but the evidence points to this being the way to "pay back" Cohen, then you are completely incorrect.

Given that Guiliani described it the way he did - particularly noting the lack of reporting requirements, tells me this likely isn't a normal ""retainer payment" since lawyers get retainer payments of well over 6 figures all the time, when the client isn't afraid of someone figuring out what he's paying for.

Trumpers will go to any length to explain away anything.

Show me a pattern going back years of the same thing, and I'll argue right alongside you. But, from Rudy's unhinged description, I doubt that's what will play out.



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: UnendingVigilance
a reply to: Phage

I would concede that morality would play a roll for a lot of people but the question the OP asked about was "He did what now? A felony?" Even if his lawyer wasn't referring to that in this instance when he said felony, in a number of public interviews, he's taken to try and tar someone in the public eye in a manner that seems like he should be able to. Yet there doesn't seem to be legal ground for it. So the question would still remain. Even if Cohen paid her and Trump eventually paid him back, was there a criminal act perpetrated? I guess where the money Trump paid came from would be most relevant, not THAT he paid.



That and whether Trump told Cohen to lie to the FBI about where the money came from, and whether Trump told Cohen to say that he knew nothing about it.

To me, that is a much bigger deal. When the president is instructing people he controls to lie to the FBI, that's a much bigger deal.

Indeed, several experts on the 11:00 hour now with Brian Williams discussing the pace at which this is unraveling for Trump, and it is not that he had sex with a porn star and lied about it that is bothering people.



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: babybunnies
Actually, Giuliani said that the payments happened "over a few months".

If this was done to avoid having to report bank transfers over $10,000, then yes, this is absolutely a crime, and a FEDERAL one, at that.

It's called WIRE FRAUD. And if it was spread over 13 payments, that's 13 counts of a Federal crime.

Each count carries potentially 20 years in prison and $250,000 fine.

www.greenspunlaw.com...

"A person charged with wire fraud can face a separate charge for each act of fraud. For a single conviction of wire fraud, you could face the following penalties: Prison sentence of up to 20 years. Fines not exceeding $250,000"


Once again..Mueller has to offer PROOF that this was the reason for spreading out payments. Short of video or audiotape that ain't happening


Sorry but the $10000 limit is for automatic reporting. It does not mean that amounts under $10000 cant not be in violation of the law. Banks are constantly monitoring transactions looking for multiple large but not quite large enough to meet the automatic limit. Because it has been a classic move by money launderers and narcos to try to hide their money.



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: Pyle

But it doesn't make them illegal either. Mueller has to PROVE that A. An illegal act was commited
B. Trump was aware of it and complicit in it



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: Scrubdog




Look at all the pretty stars lined-up above your post. And yet your post contains not a shred of any of the real issues, and serves as nothing more than a "So a president nailed a porn star 12 years ago with a new wife and newborn at home, paid her at the time, so what? Happens all the time ..." Except it doesn't, other than with this president.




How emotional.

Yeah probably does all the time, in Hollywood.




Trump has been heavily financially involved with Russia for over a decade. The odds that he isn't compromised by the Kremlin are extremely low. One doesn't do business with the Russian mob and "come out ahead." That is, unless one has something to offer, such as "I won't enforce economic sanctions against Russia, nor ever cross Putin ..."


One thing about that is that you need proof.




It is noteworthy that it doesn't bother many Trump supporters that the president on a weekly basis proves he lies like most people smile, yet you'll believe him on the most important stuff. "There's no collusion with Russia" - "I had no knowledge of the payment" - "I never had sex with Daniels" - Two of those are an absolute lie. Many Trump supporters don't care that he lies, will excuse absolutely everything, including the obvious lies, but then go to hysterical extremes in concocting some bizarre conspiracy theory as to how Clinton and Obama and Soros, and Lynch, and Stark, and whomever, all conspired (in an election everyone thought Hillary would win) to frame Trump - when the much more plausible answer is that Trump is simply - once again - lying.



That was funny. From what we are seeing lately, there is a conspiracy.

Since there are no charges of a non existent crime brought against anyone.

Just some old parking tickets.




Anyway, another day, another proven lie by a president who does nothing but lie. Why Melania, who seems like a good person, hasn't left Trump by now is totally beyond me. How much humiliation can a dignified woman like her take?


Coz she's strong and knows he's the real deal?




Avenatti - the man whom you deride as knowing less than you about the law, is surely referencing lies the president told to officials regarding the payment, including officials in Delaware, where the LLC might've been set-up, whether Trump told Cohen to lie to the FBI about where the payment came from (conspiring to defraud the government, campaign finance law violations, and possible witness tampering) - THOSE are the lies that implicate the law, and those are the instances that Avenatti would have far more information about than you. He is most assuredly NOT stating that Trump telling reporters he knew nothing of it on AF1 is a felony.



Ya right, the guy is an ambulance chaser.

Bragging about getting a job with PNN when this is over.

The crimes committed have been by the Govt. Not the Trump admin.




But, despite your "nothing Trump does bothers me" approach, you are incorrect as to why this is news. It is not news because Trump used a porn star like a piece of meat, we all know that's his M.O. you people have accepted it as "fine" so long as he continues to piss of liberals. You've made your peace with it.


Yeah, so what?




posted on May, 2 2018 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

No one, I repeat, no one voted for Trump based on his morality and good looks.

Most voters just didn't want Hillary.

Trump's immorality had been in the tabloids for more than 20 years. He's a pig. This is not news - nor against the law.

He lied to the press-as he has about everything-except his sick love of Ivanka-so, I'd rather he just keep lying-as long as he continues to do what's best for the country after years of degradation from previous administrations-who lied, too, by the way.



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
The money was probably billed as "fees" for "services"

😎

And Cohen was on "retainer".



Then Trump is back to being a felon again. The money must be designated as payback for the payoff.

So now that we know for sure that Trump has unprotected sex with porn stars, are we really to believe that he is a germophobe? Hardly! Thus the pee tape is looking more likely all the time. No wonder Trump is Putin's little bitch. The Kompromat is total.



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:00 PM
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originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: Scrubdog

Actually you know NOTHING. There must be an actual attempt to defraud somebody. Who is being defrauded here soyboy?


Well, I'll put my 24 years as a member of 3 star bar associations up against you - what do you say? (15 of them were in crim prosecution, btw)

Here, the defrauded would be the FEC, and/or IRS.

What does "soyboy" mean?

You cannot structure payments JUST to get around reporting requirements that are otherwise triggered. And there are currently thousands of people in jail who believed they could get around the IRS or (in this case campaign finance laws) by agreeing to pay just under 10K per month for X-number of months, when the entire idea is to get around reporting requirements.

You just can't.

And you can stomp your feet, and use all caps, and cite Hannity, and all that - it's fine. You'll be the tough guy, you can call me names, all to defend Trump in what should be indefensible, and would be, if Hillary were paying people off in such a manner. But, he's your guy, so it's all good, he can do no wrong.
edit on 2-5-2018 by Scrubdog because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: Scrubdog

Brian Williams of MSNBC says it's unraveling?




Trump may as well just resign



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: Scrubdog

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: babybunnies
Actually, Giuliani said that the payments happened "over a few months".

If this was done to avoid having to report bank transfers over $10,000, then yes, this is absolutely a crime, and a FEDERAL one, at that.

It's called WIRE FRAUD. And if it was spread over 13 payments, that's 13 counts of a Federal crime.

Each count carries potentially 20 years in prison and $250,000 fine.

if it's shown this was 13 payments of $10,000 each rather than 1 payment of $130,000 that was reported (it obviously wasn't), then it's definitely time to be talking about impeachment.

www.greenspunlaw.com...

"A person charged with wire fraud can face a separate charge for each act of fraud. For a single conviction of wire fraud, you could face the following penalties: Prison sentence of up to 20 years. Fines not exceeding $250,000"



You know what a retainer is?

The lawyer is "on call" "on the payroll"

Getting paid to take care of stuff when it pops up.

Nice try.



Such arrogance.

Yes, if we got back five years and see a pattern of such payments made as a "retainer" and nothing breaks in the pattern, you an be correct.

However, if suddenly the lawyer incurs $130,000 in expenses, and the "retainer" is paid in increments under $10,000 so as to not trip reporting requirements, and there is no pattern of this being the usual course of business, but the evidence points to this being the way to "pay back" Cohen, then you are completely incorrect.

Given that Guiliani described it the way he did - particularly noting the lack of reporting requirements, tells me this likely isn't a normal ""retainer payment" since lawyers get retainer payments of well over 6 figures all the time, when the client isn't afraid of someone figuring out what he's paying for.

Trumpers will go to any length to explain away anything.

Show me a pattern going back years of the same thing, and I'll argue right alongside you. But, from Rudy's unhinged description, I doubt that's what will play out.



He's paid $35,000.00 a month!

Not with envelopes in an alley at night stuffed with 50's.

Holy crap!






posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: Scrubdog

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: Scrubdog

Actually you know NOTHING. There must be an actual attempt to defraud somebody. Who is being defrauded here soyboy?


Well, I'll put my 24 years as a member of 3 star bar associations up against you - what do you say? (15 of them were in crim prosecution, btw)

Here, the defrauded would be the FEC, and/or IRS.

What does "soyboy" mean?

You cannot structure payments JUST to get around reporting requirements that are otherwise triggered. And there are currently thousands of people in jail who believed they could get around the IRS or (in this case campaign finance laws) by agreeing to pay just under 10K per month for X-number of months, when the entire idea is to get around reporting requirements.

You just can't.

And you can stomp your feet, and use all caps, and cite Hannity, and all that - it's fine. You'll be the tough guy, you can call me names, all to defend Trump in what should be indefensible, and would be, if Hillary were paying people off in such a manner. But, he's your guy, so it's all good, he can do no wrong.


Oh if he stayed under the $10k limit, he is screwed. That clearly implies intent.



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: Scrubdog

Once again..Mueller must PROVE payments were structured to get around laws. AND HE MUST convince 67 senators of this. Unless he offers real proof that aint happening Perry Mason



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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His lawyer used retainer money, still doesn't prove Trump had an affair, it just proves his lawyer paid off a porn star with pocket change instead of slapping lawsuits on her and having the same effect as her unverified stories. The lawyer used his own discretion, doesn't show Trump lied about anything.

So after all was said and done,




posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:06 PM
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originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: Urantia1111

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burdman30ott6




There is no legal mandate to ever tell the media anything, truth or otherwise.
Nor a moral one either. Right? Why lie about it though? Habit?


I don't think Avenatti was talking about Trump's public lies, though there are many of them. He's smarter than that.


He banged a porn star. Cool by me, but not everyone.

If you could hide that very personal part of your life, you would, especially if youre a famous celebrity and businessman. He could and did.

I have no problem with that.

Why dont you post that list of everyone youve slept with? No morals?


Most people I have talked to do give a damn about the sex but the possible use of campaign funds before the election to hide it.

Got proof of using campaign funds ?
No , I didnt think so
So , you listen to other people for your guidance
Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: burgerbuddy

$35k a month? There goes the whole wire fraud theory



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:09 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Trump was not aware of the payment, as Guiliani suggested. Guiliani also said the money didn’t come from election funds. The opposition party is generating another investigation into a trivial matter based on no crime.



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: Scrubdog

Brian Williams of MSNBC says it's unraveling?




Trump may as well just resign


Brian Williams was there in Stormy's room hiding behind the stripper pole in hot pants, photoshop at 10:00.



posted on May, 2 2018 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: Justso
a reply to: Willtell

No one, I repeat, no one voted for Trump based on his morality and good looks.

Most voters just didn't want Hillary.

Trump's immorality had been in the tabloids for more than 20 years. He's a pig. This is not news - nor against the law.

He lied to the press-as he has about everything-except his sick love of Ivanka-so, I'd rather he just keep lying-as long as he continues to do what's best for the country after years of degradation from previous administrations-who lied, too, by the way.






Weak dollar. An administration with 80% of the cabinet criminals. We can do far better. We have done far better.

Hopefully Trump will resign and spare us the impeachment.




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