Rudy Giuliani Admits Trump Repaid Cohen

a reply to: burdman30ott6

More importantly, what punishment is fitting for such conduct from a Russian loving, woman hating traitor? Do we have a precedent that we can gauge from?

Also, I'm now wondering if Trump also paid hush money to Putin for helping him win the election & paid hush money to Melania to shut up about all the nightly physical & sexual assaults he clearly inflicts on her.

Punishment - what fate should he suffer? - that's what I want to know - the crime has been committed, now comes the punishment action (based on precedent - so that no-one appears hypocritical or bearing favouritism).

a reply to: Willtell


I would choose a total dick for a president if he lowered taxes, lowered unemployment, had a strong foreign policy over a nice socialist who wanted to raise my taxes.

Yep.

In a ####ing heartbeat.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: olaru12
I wonder what will be Giuliani's fate now that he has spilled the beans?

Rudy's smarter than to have made this statement without prior discussion with all relevant parties.

I have to think that this "revelation" must have been coming out from somewhere anyway and Rudy got ahead of it. He's no idiot, for sure. It wasn't a slip of the tongue.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: burdman30ott6

So you justify more sleazy lies of Trump
nothing new

Lmfao, this is rich coming from you of all people.

You try to justify fake news and opinions as fact, when in reality its all lies, slander and spin.

Give me a break 😑😒😏

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: olaru12
I wonder what will be Giuliani's fate now that he has spilled the beans?

Rudy's smarter than to have made this statement without prior discussion with all relevant parties.

Exactly my thoughts. Sow a seed of doubt about one part of the investigation and cast a shadow on the whole shebang.

originally posted by: Admitted

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: olaru12
I wonder what will be Giuliani's fate now that he has spilled the beans?

Rudy's smarter than to have made this statement without prior discussion with all relevant parties.

I have to think that this "revelation" must have been coming out from somewhere anyway and Rudy got ahead of it. He's no idiot, for sure. It wasn't a slip of the tongue.

I guess we'll just have to wait for the tweet storm in the morning. It should be fantastic!!!

a reply to: JinMI

Marriage is purely a business transaction where you sign a contact with a person to pool your goods mostly for taxing purposes.

Why people mix feelings with business is beyond me, but honestly getting married without considering it a cutthroat transaction and not protecting yourself with prenups and involving several lawyers is suicidal.


Source: am married

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: whyamIhere
People have jobs.

The economy is coming back.

I don't give freshly dipped Havana who anyone sleeps with.

I don't either. It's the lyin that matters. Remember what they did to slick willy for lyin. Is Trump above the law?

Lied about what?

That he was gonna build a wall?

Was he asked under oath or in front of congress, like half the DOJ and FBI did?

Are they above the law?

Clinton should have cum clean, lol, said he was having sexual relations with that woman.

Or someone should have schooled him on what sexual relations means. Hillary.

For christ's sake bill, dress for the occasion next time!

Actually, Giuliani said that the payments happened "over a few months".

If this was done to avoid having to report bank transfers over $10,000, then yes, this is absolutely a crime, and a FEDERAL one, at that.

It's called WIRE FRAUD. And if it was spread over 13 payments, that's 13 counts of a Federal crime.

Each count carries potentially 20 years in prison and $250,000 fine.

if it's shown this was 13 payments of $10,000 each rather than 1 payment of $130,000 that was reported (it obviously wasn't), then it's definitely time to be talking about impeachment.

www.greenspunlaw.com...

"A person charged with wire fraud can face a separate charge for each act of fraud. For a single conviction of wire fraud, you could face the following penalties: Prison sentence of up to 20 years. Fines not exceeding $250,000"

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burdman30ott6

There is no legal mandate to ever tell the media anything, truth or otherwise.

Nor a moral one either. Right? Why lie about it though? Habit?


I don't think Avenatti was talking about Trump's public lies, though there are many of them. He's smarter than that.

He banged a porn star. Cool by me, but not everyone.

If you could hide that very personal part of your life, you would, especially if youre a famous celebrity and businessman. He could and did.

I have no problem with that.

Why dont you post that list of everyone youve slept with? No morals?

a reply to: DBCowboy

As a Congressman correctly pointed out this evening, Any one of Obama's lies hurt more people than all of Trump's combined.

And like you said, President Trump is making America and the World a more prosperous, peaceful place. That makes porn star payoffs, a totally insignificant nothing-burger.

originally posted by: babybunnies
Actually, Giuliani said that the payments happened "over a few months".

If this was done to avoid having to report bank transfers over $10,000, then yes, this is absolutely a crime, and a FEDERAL one, at that.

It's called WIRE FRAUD. And if it was spread over 13 payments, that's 13 counts of a Federal crime.

Each count carries potentially 20 years in prison and $250,000 fine.

www.greenspunlaw.com...

"A person charged with wire fraud can face a separate charge for each act of fraud. For a single conviction of wire fraud, you could face the following penalties: Prison sentence of up to 20 years. Fines not exceeding $250,000"

Once again..Mueller has to offer PROOF that this was the reason for spreading out payments. Short of video or audiotape that ain't happening

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
I'm not posting this for the sake of this admission, purely because I've not veered from a "he screwed a whore 12 years ago, who cares?" position on the topic. I am posting this, however, to draw attention to the absolute self aggrandizing jackass tabloid chaser Stormy Daniels hired as her attorney. Alongside the self important, arrogance of the American media.

Trump told reporters several weeks ago that he didn't know about the $130,000 payment to Daniels as part of a nondisclosure agreement she signed days before the 2016 presidential election.

Asked aboard Air Force One whether he knew about the payment, Trump said flatly: "No." Trump also said he didn't know why Cohen had made the payment or where he got the money.

Daniels' lawyer's comment...

Daniels' lawyer, Michael Avenatti, called the comment "a stunning revelation."

"Mr. Trump evidently has participated in a felony and there must be serious consequences for his conduct and his lies and deception to the American people," he said.

WHAT? He did what now? A felony? My God, what a legally clueless arsehole you are, sir. Some half-a-hey-how-you-doin reporter aboard Air Force One is not a judge, Member of Congress, or Special Counsel. There is no legal mandate to ever tell the media anything, truth or otherwise. If I wanted to call up the local newspaper tomorrow and fabricate a story about monkeys flying out of my hind end, it's 100% on them if they're desperate and stupid enough to print it as truth.

What arrogance! This imbecile lawyer is the reason the media in the USA consider themselves to be gods, above reproach, somehow authorized to pick and choose what they report and spin it in a way to ensure it is viewed as either truth or fiction depending on their whims, but this idjit thinks it's a felony to off handedly dismiss any question one of their member's asks with less than a truthful, serious answer? Oh God, everything wrong with the legal profession and the US media rolled up in the same ZigZag paper right there.

Look at all the pretty stars lined-up above your post. And yet your post contains not a shred of any of the real issues, and serves as nothing more than a "So a president nailed a porn star 12 years ago with a new wife and newborn at home, paid her at the time, so what? Happens all the time ..." Except it doesn't, other than with this president.

But, despite your "nothing Trump does bothers me" approach, you are incorrect as to why this is news. It is not news because Trump used a porn star like a piece of meat, we all know that's his M.O. you people have accepted it as "fine" so long as he continues to piss of liberals. You've made your peace with it.

But, paying off the porn star weeks prior to the election makes it current news, and brings it within the realm of criminal law, because believe it or not, there are very complex laws dealing with campaign finance, which is why every presidential campaign has a team of lawyers to navigate it.

Avenatti - the man whom you deride as knowing less than you about the law, is surely referencing lies the president told to officials regarding the payment, including officials in Delaware, where the LLC might've been set-up, whether Trump told Cohen to lie to the FBI about where the payment came from (conspiring to defraud the government, campaign finance law violations, and possible witness tampering) - THOSE are the lies that implicate the law, and those are the instances that Avenatti would have far more information about than you. He is most assuredly NOT stating that Trump telling reporters he knew nothing of it on AF1 is a felony.

It is noteworthy that it doesn't bother many Trump supporters that the president on a weekly basis proves he lies like most people smile, yet you'll believe him on the most important stuff. "There's no collusion with Russia" - "I had no knowledge of the payment" - "I never had sex with Daniels" - Two of those are an absolute lie. Many Trump supporters don't care that he lies, will excuse absolutely everything, including the obvious lies, but then go to hysterical extremes in concocting some bizarre conspiracy theory as to how Clinton and Obama and Soros, and Lynch, and Stark, and whomever, all conspired (in an election everyone thought Hillary would win) to frame Trump - when the much more plausible answer is that Trump is simply - once again - lying.

Trump has been heavily financially involved with Russia for over a decade. The odds that he isn't compromised by the Kremlin are extremely low. One doesn't do business with the Russian mob and "come out ahead." That is, unless one has something to offer, such as "I won't enforce economic sanctions against Russia, nor ever cross Putin ..."

Anyway, another day, another proven lie by a president who does nothing but lie. Why Melania, who seems like a good person, hasn't left Trump by now is totally beyond me. How much humiliation can a dignified woman like her take?

originally posted by: babybunnies
Actually, Giuliani said that the payments happened "over a few months".

If this was done to avoid having to report bank transfers over $10,000, then yes, this is absolutely a crime, and a FEDERAL one, at that.

It's called WIRE FRAUD. And if it was spread over 13 payments, that's 13 counts of a Federal crime.

Each count carries potentially 20 years in prison and $250,000 fine.

if it's shown this was 13 payments of $10,000 each rather than 1 payment of $130,000 that was reported (it obviously wasn't), then it's definitely time to be talking about impeachment.

www.greenspunlaw.com...

"A person charged with wire fraud can face a separate charge for each act of fraud. For a single conviction of wire fraud, you could face the following penalties: Prison sentence of up to 20 years. Fines not exceeding $250,000"

You know what a retainer is?

The lawyer is "on call" "on the payroll"

Getting paid to take care of stuff when it pops up.

Nice try.

People need to chill out. It's very possible did know about the LEGAL payment. However, I doubt he's the one writing checks. It's quite possible this was simply a chargeback.

a reply to: babybunnies

By way..explain how any of this meets the criterion for wire fraud. From your link..

The elements of a claim for wire fraud are very similar to those of mail fraud. You could be charged with wire fraud if the following four elements of the crime are established:

You voluntarily or intentionally participated in or devised a scheme to defraud someone of money or other valuables.You did so with the intent to defraud the person.It was reasonably foreseeable that interstate wire communications would be used.Interstate wire communications were in fact used in the scheme.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: babybunnies
Actually, Giuliani said that the payments happened "over a few months".

If this was done to avoid having to report bank transfers over $10,000, then yes, this is absolutely a crime, and a FEDERAL one, at that.

It's called WIRE FRAUD. And if it was spread over 13 payments, that's 13 counts of a Federal crime.

Each count carries potentially 20 years in prison and $250,000 fine.

www.greenspunlaw.com...

"A person charged with wire fraud can face a separate charge for each act of fraud. For a single conviction of wire fraud, you could face the following penalties: Prison sentence of up to 20 years. Fines not exceeding $250,000"

Once again..Mueller has to offer PROOF that this was the reason for spreading out payments. Short of video or audiotape that ain't happening

Wow.

You know exactly nothing about criminal law.

You think that people across the country who make payments in $9,950 over a series of steps are not convicted daily for wire fraud without "video or audio"? You don't think that prosecutors can and do ask jurors regularly to put their common sense hat on and think about the only reason - without a reasonable doubt - as to why one structures a payment like that, and don't get convictions?

And, just for fun, one doesn't need audiotape or videotape of anything if Michael Cohen is sitting right there stating "He paid in those installments so that we wouldn't have to report it" as part of a deal with the prosecution, to get his sentence down to something where he might see the light of day.

Prosecutions happen all over the country daily on the premise that jurors use common sense. People do get convicted of tax fraud, wire fraud, etc. without video, without audio, with nothing but solid proof that there could only be one plausible reason for doing something that way.

a reply to: Indigent

You're wrong, I'm right. It's a sign of love and an act of devotion (until a divorce apparently)!

Source: I have rosey glasses and am engaged!

Folks mix business with feelings all the time. It's often not smart but it does happen and not always for the worse. However there are many variables at play in the equation.

a reply to: Scrubdog

Actually you know NOTHING. There must be an actual attempt to defraud somebody. Who is being defrauded here soyboy?

a reply to: Scrubdog

Wow.

You know exactly nothing about criminal law.

How do you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously with such ignorant and outrageous comments?