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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Erno86
Sorry, Mueller is bluffing and was just reprimanded by a judge. So why is it you are willing to give away your Constitutional freedoms to embarrass Trump?
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Erno86
Because that is what you are doing. Mueller is not investigating a crime, he is investigating a person and trying to pin any crime he can on them.
We have Constitutional protection from that. You are happy with Mueller's investigation. My conclusion is the only proper one.
originally posted by: Erno86
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Erno86
Because that is what you are doing. Mueller is not investigating a crime, he is investigating a person and trying to pin any crime he can on them.
We have Constitutional protection from that. You are happy with Mueller's investigation. My conclusion is the only proper one.
I agree to disagree...
Mueller is investigating charges that the Russians illegally disrupted our last U.S. presidential election. And with Trump and most of his henchmen having close ties to the Russian oligarchy --- including his former lawyer Richard Cohen, who has Russian and Ukrainian ties --- mainly from his father in law (according to today's NYT's) --- only deepens the plot further for Mueller to continue the investigation further.
Any other path...is to wrongly acquiesce victory to Putin, along with a total loss of faith in our political institutions, in the name of political corruption and terrorism.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Erno86
Except that is false. That is what they claim the investigation is. So far all the legal troubles stemming from it have NOTHING to do with Russia, and Mueller was just blasted by a judge who accused him of an illegal investigation, believing he had unfettered power, and believing the scope of his investigation had no limit (investigating people to find crimes, not investigating crimes to find perpetrators). Mueller has tried to withhold the scope memo from the judge who insisted on seeing it.
So before you cheer away the loss of your freedoms you should understand the consequences of your hate.
I agree to disagree...
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Erno86
Just because Rosenstein used the word "extortion," it does not follow that such is accurate. Congress has Constitutional authority and duty to oversee the DoJ. That's not extortion.
Essentially, Rosenstein is saying he is above the law. Wrong.
So far as the Grand Jury goes, existing established DoJ policy as well as two separate court decisions have established that no, Mueller does not have the authority to enforce a subpoena on the President... even if his name starts with 'T' and ends with 'P.' Mueller, too, seems to think the law does not apply to him. See my post above.
TheRedneck
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: TheRedneck
He just admitted he doesn't want the judge to see the scope memo. You can't make this stuff up.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Erno86
I agree to disagree...
You can disagree all you want. The facts do not change.
Mueller and Rosenstein are violating the law that protects you and I from illegal activity by all law enforcement. If this investigation is not slapped down and stopped, neither of us will have any rights under the law. A police officer can legally decide you are guilty and do whatever it takes, including manufacture false evidence, drag you around the country to a judge he is friends with, search whatever and wherever he wants for anything he wants, and find some way to lock you up.
If Mueller can do it, if Rosenstein can do it, the cop on the corner can do it.
TheRedneck
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Erno86
Sorry, that is Mueller. Investigations have limits, a scope, you can't go beyond that. The investigation is about Russia, yet NOTHING in the charges have any relation to Russia.
It would be like me initiating a murder investigation on you and then charging all your friends with crimes that have nothing to do with murder as an attempt to get to you on ANY crime not just murder. That is illegal, you can't do it. This judge is the only one who is putting the law first not politics.
You clearly aren't. You don't want the judge to find out the investigation is illegal so it can continue. Disgusting.
I disagree...on the premise that "Mueller does not have the authority to enforce a subpoena on the president," much rather...Mueller does not have the authority to "indict" a sitting president --- The president can only be impeached in office --- And unless their is a "mutiny in Congress," impeachment of Trump is not going to happen.
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