Democrats and Republicans both suck

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Also are you sure your view of “what the left wants” is accurate???

The gop has masterfully propagandize pretty much every issue and pretends the “left” wants something no elected official has ever even proposed..


For example:

The Dems say they want to ban all the NEW SALES of assault rifles . With a grand father clause still leaving the millions in circulation legal.


The gop rebuttal???


“They are gonna come door to door and take all the guns after repealing the second amendment.”


They pretend like the choice is between doing nothing or banning all the guns. When no one is even saying ban all the guns..


It’s a joke that toddlers should see through.

originally posted by: xuenchen
So both parties suck and we need at least 2 more that suck.

Great.

Ha...such a good point. But, I think of it as throwing more balls at a juggler.

The more we can throw at them...the more likely it is they will drop some.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Here is the difference between the two from my point of view..


The left acknowledges there is a problem, but a chunk of the time enough of the democrats are being paid off so nothing gets done about it..


Examples : war on drugs, police shootings, lobbiests, the environment exc, exc, exc..

The right intentionally obfuscates the issue with propaganda and pretends like that issue is a good thing.. the bad things are literally part of their party platform as a good thing..

For example they are the only ones still openly supporting the war on drugs, Private prisons, lobbiests, climate change denial, police shootings exc..


It is a choice between dealing with corruption or willful ignorance..

this applies to both sides in this argument really. the only way way u could come to that conclusion is if u believe the propaganda they spew while ignoring their hypocritical behavior. lets take private prisons for example, many of the most prevalent democrats have supported and voted for policies that promote private prisons just like the repubs. climate change... well that has never been up for debate, global warming has been though. ever ask yourself why they changed the phrase from global warming to climate change? besides thats just a way to deflect from the real question, is man contributing in a significant manner to increasing temps with our waste and pollution? so far the jury is out and not one person has anything that will pass peer review that proves we are in fact going to destroy ourselves like so many scientists and politicians who get so much money from the deal would have u believe. were talking a multi billion dollar a year business. so this is just me playing devils advocate to show u that our biases have far more control over our perceptions then wed like to believe.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Only about 400 "assault rifle" (scary looking gun) deaths per year.... F them for trying to ban new ones.

One day there's going to be a war. In our lifetimes. Maybe several. And i'm talking really bad ones. On the streets. In "America". There will almost certainly be a war of humans vs. immortalist transhumans. And the higher level technocrat types, such as the tech giants, whom are all lock stock and barrel running at off the charts to bring in all their immortalist tech ASAP *no matter the consequences from doing it hastey, such as civil war like nothing before it)...

And guess which "team" all those types are all-in on... the Democrat's.

Isnt that convenient. They hijack the upper echelons of power here (which would count in the military and militarized police. They fight to overblow shooting incidents to help get guns that might give regular humans here a chance to fight back. Meanwhile they're rolling out immortality tech that everyone cant have, and its already pretty obvious their ilk have been running wild setting it up so most wont be able to afford. Meanwhile they roll out Skynet'esque AI (AGI), which will maximize their rates of advancement on all their modes of oppression, and their transhumanist tech fronts (such as neural links to jack their brains directly into their AGI GOD).

And the one weapon that could sort of put a people in some semblance of a league that could almost try to resist such an awesome brutal oppression machine, and that day WILL come, oh well about half the population were too stupid brainwashed with liberal media hell bent on turning their stock into a pack of knee jerk conditioned response hair on fire cultists. Because every year at 10-20 schools, out of the over 100,000 grades schools in the US. Yeah that means we need to hand over our semi-ability to resist the most awesome tyranny in the hist of Planet Earth when the days comes. And it IS coming...

Dilly dilly

Individuals are key.

The flock is too busy in the mirror to care about you or me.

They are like the scum preying on old people or victims of tragedy massaging your shoulders why they get your account number.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Given that 19X more people are murdered by handguns than rifles/(according to the FBI) it shows how stupid and incompetent the left's fight for banning assault rifles is.

If any of you had a clue or actually cared, your focus would be inner city handguns.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Given that 19X more people are murdered by handguns than rifles/(according to the FBI) it shows how stupid and incompetent the left's fight for banning assault rifles is.

If any of you had a clue or actually cared, your focus would be inner city handguns.

You gotta start somewhere. Its all about setting that initial precedent. Then the idea is to keep the ball rolling. "it's exactly what happened to Laverne & Shirley." Complain and get one episode pulled, and then they fly off the table one after another after that.

They are ALL lawyers.

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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: ChaoticOrder


It is a choice between dealing with corruption or willful ignorance..

The left has the right beat in spades in both categories. Let's not forget about the hypocrisy which has become synonymous with the word democrat. I'm not saying the right doesn't possess some of these qualities but they can't hold a candle to the idiocy and lunacy of the left. I've never in my life (54yrs) seen or heard more ignorant drivel spewed from a political party than I have from the left as of recent. It's sad that people like yourself just can't bring themselves to see it. You seem more than willing to defend anything and everything that comes from the left, that my friend is true unadulterated ignorance.

Tweedle dee an Tweedle sum.

" Your policies go too far"..." Yours don't go far enough!"



It takes two to dance the dance of life!

a reply to: TheScale


A) It is the difference between one side admitting the reality , but some of them being paid off to do the opposite of what they know to be right, and the other side pretending like the wrong thing is the right thing!!!


Take private prisons as an example.....


The democrat party platform: private prisons are a disaster that has led to increasingly harsh penalties for crimes that were never a safety issue in the first place...


The gop party platform: Private prisons are awesome and a good thing that saves the US millions of dollars l. Plus they donate millions more to theGOP! (Almost all private prison donations are to the gop... like 90%)..


Now that doesn’t mean that SOME Dems won’t get paid off to back private prisons, but it isn’t the Dems publicity pretending like they are a good thing..


That’s apples and oranges..

B) only republicans think “climate change” means everytime the climate changes.. lmao..


To the left and all the scientists it means “CO2 holds more heat and we are producing a WHOLE lot of CO2 which will raise the tempreture on the entire planet”


The jury is not out on AGW... the fact that CO2 holds more heat and we are producing a crazy amount of CO2 is easily confirmable by back yard experiments.


THE ONLY THING the jury is out on is the rate of change and the effects there of..


But that isn’t what the conservative commentators are saying , now is it???


They are not saying “of course the scientists are not in a vast conspiracy to make the gop look bad.. but hell we might even increase the worlds total bread baskets when Siberia and Canada become farmable...”


They are saying “all of this is a vast conspiracy by the liberal media and scientists to pass a carbon tax for obama!!”


Which is laughable..

a reply to: mtnshredder

Except you didn’t provide one single example of that....


Private prisons, death of unions, free trade, war on drugs, patriot act, civil forfeiture, citizens United, war on terrorism, Iraq war, Afghan war, trumickledown economics, every cut to social security, Medicare or Medicare...


Literally every policy that has just been a disaster for america is a right/conservative policy..





So what left wing policy(s) even remotely touches the destructiveness of all of those conservative policy???

a reply to: MysticPearl

Less than that we’re killed by automatic weapons before the ban in the 80s...

No one has an issue with the fact full auto is illegal...


But past that.. THE ONLY assault weapons ban proposed has a grandfather claus, which leaves the millions in circulation perfectly legal to own and resell, AND even if they banned them you can still fill out the paperwork and have one anyway..


It is a fake choice..

All an assault weapons ban means is you can’t buy a newly manufactured one without a special license..



That’s all.. it doesn’t mean they all disappear or they will never make another one..

Just that you actually have to apply to own one, rather than having a right to an assault rifle..


But see that argument the right loses for the vast majority of people . So they deflect and shift the argument to something no one is even saying in the first place..


If you poll Americans and ask “should the US government go house to house taking all the guns. 0% answers yes..


If in some fictional reality where they actually passed it as a law. There are no warm bodies willing to fight to take them..

The army wouldn’t.. the cops wouldn’t..

It is a rape fantasy by propaganda whores to make the sheep vote for them..


And the sheep just Baaa baaa baaa right behind them..

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Liberals hate libertarians because the libertarian platform doesn't allow room in it to pander to, via unequal protection under the law, wealth redistribution, or artificially generated restrictions on some to penalize success, Kept Voters. Without these Kept Voter programs, Democrats would quickly lose their minority voter bases. That's a simple fact... they depend entirely on victimhood and feelings of guilt to keep receiving votes, and neither is a policy libertarians suffer easily.

This is one of the most outstanding summaries I have ever seen!

Outstanding Sir!

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I always felt labeling ideology creates nothing but division, infighting and reduces the efficiency of our government. It doesn't create an atmosphere of unity in negotiating issues that affect the majority of people they represent. The party platform doesn't allow representatives to speak their mind for fear of being black-balled by their party. "Protecting party" has become a priority rather than doing what's best for the people.

I get sick of the "double talk," lies, and ignoring the issues these representatives show on a daily basis. Party alignment also creates a form of bias in both the conservative and liberal media. I would rather vote for a person based upon their stance on issues rather than using a party label that closes-off any possible consideration on issues that would be of benefit to myself and my fellow citizens.

People who align themselves with their political party, become shut-off to anything that is not associated with their party platform. Many refuse to criticize or will make excuses for their party representatives lies or poor decisions. It's not a constructive system to govern-by and it creates stagnation when it comes to creating legislation the country needs.

Money in politics is also a whole other issue when it comes to ignoring the will of the people.

Centrists and Libertarians are on the rise as people look for alternatives

We need a centrist party, but no libertarians as today libertarians are simply Republicans that aren't on the far right in religion, war and gay rights, but still horrible for quality of life for regular people.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

You keep saying all you want to do is regulate the sale of new assault rifles. No one is going to ask for your guns, etc.

The idea is that the anti gun people try to ban the guns little by little. This year they ban the assault rifle. Then, when they get that, next year it will be something else. Maybe handguns. It's like the domino theory. If you watch these gun ban efforts over the years, you can see different strategies go in and out of fashion. One year this, later that.

Places where these different bans have proven popular have accumulated multiple layers of laws that progress to the point where they actually are trying to make your guns at home illegal.

None of these measures have reduced crime anywhere. They just make it more dangerous for the law abiding

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Literally every policy that has just been a disaster for america is a right/conservative policy..

Hahaha... oh my you may be breaking records when it comes to seeing things one sided.

a reply to: CB328

We need a centrist party, but no libertarians as today libertarians are simply Republicans that aren't on the far right in religion, war and gay rights, but still horrible for quality of life for regular people.

It's called free market capitalism, the system which has led to some of the most prosperous nations on Earth. The system which affords people the most freedom and individual liberty to achieve their dreams. Heavily socialist policies involve the forceful redistribution of wealth and Libertarianism is all about never using force against the will of people to achieve goals. The fallacy here is believing that prosperity can only ever be achieved through taking wealth from one person and giving it to another. It's true that high levels of equality can only be achieved like that, but you can have equality where everyone is equally poor. Having a higher average standard of living is the true goal and history shows the best way to achieve that is through free market capitalism. I've written in depth threads explaining why this is the case so I'm not going to do it again here.