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Democrats and Republicans both suck

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posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 04:49 PM
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The political divide between the left and right seems to be growing rapidly in recent times and it seems like everyday I see an argument between a Democrat and a Republican. They see each other almost as mortal enemies and write long essays about why the other side sucks so much. While I have written several threads over the last year which appear to be partisan what they were really about is pointing out the level of insanity involved with the people who refuse to accept the fact Trump won the election.

For most of my life I viewed democrats as the more empathetic and intelligent party, I remember a time on ATS when Fox News was seen as one of the worst possible sources to use. Republicans were the war mongers, the money hungry scum bags, the deeply religious morons, and honestly I still think many republicans are all those things but I've come to learn many democrats are just as corrupt, if not more, they're just better at concealing it. These days people like Tucker Carlson are virtually celebrities around here.

The truth is both parties suck but there are still good people on both sides. Ran Paul is a republican I very much like, and let us remember that his father Ron Paul ran as a republican in the 2012 elections even though he's truly a libertarian. I see myself as a libertarian so I had to ask myself why so many libertarians seem to lean into the right or become republicans, and before long it became quite clear to me that the socialist principles underpinning a lot of the democratic arguments are deeply incompatible with concepts of liberty.

Liberals like to portray how progressive they are and how they respect personal liberty when it comes to things like legalization of marijuana, but they have little problem enacting a nanny state which will control innumerable aspects of our lives and force us all to live in bubble wrap where nothing offensive is ever uttered. Just look at how YouTube is trying to make everything "kid friendly" and absolutely ruining the platform in the process, really it's nothing but a way to demonetize and suppress opinions they don't like.

Trump clearly isn't your typical republican, much like Ron Paul he used the republican platform to increase the odds of him winning the election because in reality it comes down to the two major parties, outside of those a candidate has very little chance. This term "populist" I think is a very interesting one because the media seem to use it to label people like Trump as if it were a slur... but isn't democracy about appealing to the popular opinion? Apparently Hillary won the popular vote so arguing she should replace Trump is populism.

Google defines a populist as "a member or adherent of a political party seeking to represent the interests of ordinary people". So representing ordinary common class people like farmers and miners the way Trump does is a bad thing? Because the upper classes are more intelligent and more civilized, they know what's best for us right? Sorry I'm getting partisan again... it's hard to avoid even when I'm trying, which scares me because I know most people do not even try to question their own beliefs or find flaws in their paradigms.

In summary I don't really like either "side", CNN and FOX are both MSM outlets which deserve criticism. Just having sides implies each is biased in the way they lean. A more sensible position would be closer to the center, this is why most of the intelligent philosophers and political thinkers that I know of are libertarian. It's why so many people on ATS are libertarian and don't like to label themselves as conservatives or republicans. It's really about being outside of the mainstream, the center is seen as an "alternative/alt" position because the mainstream parties are so far out.

At this point people seem to think libertarian and "alt-right" are interchangeable terms. That just goes to show how deeply misinformed they are to begin with. It's also quite interesting how liberals seem to be at such odds with the principles held by libertarians... both groups claim to uphold principles of liberty yet they seem to be opposed on many issues on a very deep level. Centrists and Libertarians are on the rise as people look for alternatives to the two default choices, and I believe this is a very good thing, don't play into their partisan game.
edit on 27/4/2018 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 04:51 PM
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posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 04:55 PM
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So both parties suck and we need at least 2 more that suck.

Great.




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posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 05:21 PM
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The actual issues are very real and almost divide us 50/50. The issues are between slavery and freedom.

The politicians are very very fake and simply use the issues against us to further line their pockets with money and power.

To say everyone should lay down the sword is a great disservice, for the issues are what make this reality interesting. Now if we could just separate politics from the thieving, lying and immoral politicians, we could finally get down to business.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 05:25 PM
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The media is keeping this polarization alive. Why can't we just go back to like it was in the old days when most people couldn't wait till the elections were over so we did not have to discuss politics. People actually believe the chaos we are experiencing is good for society? Lets concentrate on just enjoying the short life we have and trying to stay healthy. If the people would see that straightening out the food chemistry is more beneficial to us personally than politicians, maybe we could get some of the bad chemistry banned like Europe has. Then we wouldn't be so sick because of all the chemicals made by companies tied to pharmaceutical companies.

The ones trying to take over everything are not politicians, it is the alchemists again.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 05:26 PM
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It's important to refers to the "Dem's" / "Rep's" in the context of Party / Media type elements, where the commoners being suckered by them referred to as what they are "liberals" / "conservatives". If you interchange the terms for each as if being literally one in the same, which is all the Party elitist whatever insider types dream of, then you're still playing into their hands even when trying to attack their box.

To beat them it starts with tearing apart their various 'NuSpeak' language methods, along with their other methods of manipulation. Instead of se framing things around the kneejerk BS they usually keep us all focused on, for example.
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posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky

sure it isn't more like between slavery or slavery? it's just that one of those paths to that loss of freedom seems to be more to your liking but, well.. they end at the same place. the politicians on both sides are like what you say.. they are just two sides to the same coin really, working together to get us to their desired destination.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 05:44 PM
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Democrats and Republicans DO suck!

But, tell me what do you think of the Left and the Right?..




posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 06:02 PM
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Politics is the disease, not the cure. Though a lot of people believe otherwise.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

In blurring the line between freedom and slavery we all lose. If we continue to look to politics for our freedom then yes it is between slavery and slavery.

But if we are able to reform ourselves, coming up with different ideals on how to live this life that centers around respecting another person's free will as long as they themselves are not interfering with another person's free will, then we can actually achieve freedom. It will be 180 degrees from what we are taught today and it will not center around an all controlling political body. It will probably resemble more of a form of anarchy, which we are not even close to being able to achieve. But that does not mean we can't at least start heading in that direction.

But for that to happen, people would have to give up their soap opera of politics. We would have to start discussing the issues themselves instead of discussing the rotten core of politics that maybe is discussing the real issues just to further their own gain.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Liberals hate libertarians because the libertarian platform doesn't allow room in it to pander to, via unequal protection under the law, wealth redistribution, or artificially generated restrictions on some to penalize success, Kept Voters. Without these Kept Voter programs, Democrats would quickly lose their minority voter bases. That's a simple fact... they depend entirely on victimhood and feelings of guilt to keep receiving votes, and neither is a policy libertarians suffer easily.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 06:40 PM
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well the good thing to take from our current times is that there is a strong shift happening that is moving more people then ive ever witnessed away from the establishment parties. it seems that many people are starting to see them for what they are and realizing that both parties are not representing themselves or the values americans hold dear. i just fear that politics is so polarizing that people will take it too far in the other direction.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 06:51 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I agree with most of what you say until you get to the end.
"At this point people seem to think libertarian and "alt-right" are interchangeable terms."

Maybe people think that but only because they know very little about these two groups. Their philosophy is almost diametrically opposed. They have different takes on individuality. Alt-right is only a few years old compared to the libertarian party which is really a third party even though it has had influence upon what many republicans say.

What they do, however is a different matter. When both parties receive funding from groups like AIPAC they start to act the same. Alt-right really has no funding at this point so we'll have to see what it develops into. Right now it's a kind of traditionalist group. Whey they believe is close to what most people's great grandparents believed.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky

here's the thing though...
dependency=servitude... a loss of freedom!!!
while I'll agree that the left is a problem in that they are more than happy to enable that dependency and make it as painless as possible..
I also see the right playing a big role in making sure that people need to be dependent on some outside source.
and just who that outside source is, weather it be husband, gov't, church, whatever.... doesn't really matter much.
for them to be truly free, they have to have a way to provide for themselves and their families, jobs that pay well enough for them to provide for themselves and their families... at least the basic necessities.

freedom comes with responsibilities, and quite frankly, it seems that we are a rather irresponsible bunch all around.. people need to be responsible for themselves and their families, but they also have to have a way to be responsible, regardless of how lowly you think their job title is.

I think your grand solution of "less" government won't give more freedom, but would just deliver lordship of the dependent to somewhere else.

and you're right, it is obviously clear that we are not ready for self governance!



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 07:18 PM
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Everyone sucks except me.

I'm awesome.

Brilliant.

Wonderful.

So stop being different, thinking different from me, and start thinking like me.

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. . . .



But yes OP, the one political party that has 2 faces does suck.




posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

As long as we allow politicians that suck to
lead. As long as the CFR, Trilateral commission.
Builderburg, Skull and bones, etc. populate
the scene? Politics will suck.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Here is the difference between the two from my point of view..


The left acknowledges there is a problem, but a chunk of the time enough of the democrats are being paid off so nothing gets done about it..


Examples : war on drugs, police shootings, lobbiests, the environment exc, exc, exc..

The right intentionally obfuscates the issue with propaganda and pretends like that issue is a good thing.. the bad things are literally part of their party platform as a good thing..

For example they are the only ones still openly supporting the war on drugs, Private prisons, lobbiests, climate change denial, police shootings exc..


It is a choice between dealing with corruption or willful ignorance..



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Libertarians suck more than both of them.



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