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The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

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posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
You trying to convince yourself items got all the way over to banker trust building when flight 11 hit.








posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
You trying to convince yourself items got all the way over to banker trust building when flight 11 hit.






posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

So you heard the booms, yes?



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

So you heard the booms, yes?


Care to define booms? Like a trash truck hitting a metal dumpster boom. Like a steel structure starting to buckle and collapse in on itself?

There was no detonation with the power to cut steel columns. With no evidence of a pressure wave with the power to cut steel columns. And no evidence of splintered steel being ejected at 140 km/hr. Yes?

With no evidence of planted charges setting off floor by floor. Yes?
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edit on 7-9-2018 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: Jesushere





Nice Graph Jesus.

Energy by mass for nano thermite = 7.1 (kJ/g)

Energy by mass for candy bar = 14.0 (kJ/g)

fulfilnutrition.com...


So tell us Jesus, how hot does nano thermite burn ?




edit on 7-9-2018 by waypastvne because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux


Yes

You tell me what do i hear on that audio?

Again reminded, marker 14:48 to 15:15
youtu.be...
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posted on Sep, 7 2018 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: democracydemo

I hear helicopters

In background rumbling

What do you expect ….? A 110 story building falling down without making a sound …..???



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 04:01 AM
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originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux


Yes

You tell me what do i hear on that audio?

Again reminded, marker 14:48 to 15:15
youtu.be...


For an explosive to cut steel, it must create a pressure wave that generates enough energy and force to sever the steel. The resultant pressure wave results in a audible signature that is 130 to 140 DB. The pressure wave will result in an over pressure event that will blown out windows, set off car alarms, and ejected shrapnel with a burnt and washed appearance. The explosions create flashes of light.

Below is a link to a controlled implosion with traps to capture shrapnel, and the building windows removed.




Explosive Building Implosion | Demolition Show
m.youtube.com...


The explosions are clearly heard when removing the resistance of multiple floors. The truth movement claims the resistance of all 110 floors of each tower had to be removed. The explosions in the video create echo after echo bouncing around the city. The explosions still create visible flashes of light despite having traps to capture shrapnel. The video camera distinctly shakes with the force of the larger explosions.

If explosives were used to cut steel columns at the WTC, it would be obvious and distinct. The first rounds of explosions to set the collapse in motion would be frighteningly imposing in their resulting sound. Not, there might be a detention at this time spot.

Nobody said there was no explosions at the WTC. Items like fire extinguishers, air conditioning compressors in building AC units, compressors in vending machine/refrigerators, electrical transformers, large batteries for battery rooms, and water trapped in pipes will cause explosions when sufficiently heated.

And there is no doubt when floor connections failed, it resulted in some form of audible pressure wave.

The stored potential energy of the towers was something to the equivalent of 250 tons of TNT. When that kind of stored energy is converted to kinetic energy in a matter of seconds, it’s going to make some sound.

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posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 06:03 AM
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originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jesushere
You trying to convince yourself items got all the way over to banker trust building when flight 11 hit.






There is no background detail to verify where these images were taken. They could be ground level photographs. Could they be images taken after the twin towers collapsed?



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 06:18 AM
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originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jesushere





Nice Graph Jesus.

Energy by mass for nano thermite = 7.1 (kJ/g)

Energy by mass for candy bar = 14.0 (kJ/g)

fulfilnutrition.com...


So tell us Jesus, how hot does nano thermite burn ?





There a lot of energy in a candy bar. Have you ever not eaten for a day? You buy a candy bar and eat you not notice you suddenly feel rejuvenated? Your body is using the stored energy in the candy bar, that bar is refuelling your body to keep going. People make the mistake thinking the energy in a candy bar is not substantial.

The difference between the energy in a candy bar and nano-thermite and TNT, for example, is the way the energy reacts to heat, air chemical processes, and pressure. Energy in a candy bar reacts with things in your body the energy release is slow can take time. With nano-thermite and TNT, the energy release is very fast and reacts to heat.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jesushere
Dr Hulsey has updated people on his research. He revealed that a number of papers will be released in one to two months. They will be sent to peer review by respected journals in Europe. His unsure he can do in America due to the politics of the event.

He also said he has computer modelled the actual collapse and will show it to the public. NIST must be in fear now that Hulsey can replicate the conditions of the actual collapse. Everything has been tested and verified.

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Below is what is posted on the actual WTC 7 Evaluation Site as of 9-7-2018 12:05



Dr. Leroy Hulsey gave the following update on March 27, 2018:

To all who have been following the University of Alaska Fairbanks study on the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7:

First, I would like to thank you for your interest in and support of the study.

We had planned to release our findings for public review early this year. However, research often takes unexpected turns, and the more complicated the problem, the more difficult it is to predict the completion date. We are still in the process of studying hypothetical collapse mechanisms and attempting to simulate the building’s failure. Our goal is to determine, with a high degree of confidence, the sequence of failures that may have caused the observed collapse and to rule out those mechanisms that could not have caused the observed collapse.

We will release our findings for public review when we are sure we fully understand the mechanisms that are likely to have caused the observed collapse and those that clearly did not occur and could not have caused the observed collapse. We expect to publish our findings later this year, but we will refrain from naming a completion date, given the unpredictability of the research process.

Again, we thank you for your interest in our study and we appreciate your patience as we strive to bring a truly scientific answer to the important question of how WTC 7 collapsed on September 11, 2001.

Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey

Chair, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering

University of Alaska Fairbanks


The link I provided is a new radio interview with Dr Hulsey, the provided a new update on his findings.

Dr Hulsey has simulated the actual collapse you see on video with a computer model. When people see this in real time people are going to notice there no difference between the two.

NIST couldn't even get their model of the north side collapse to look right.

Do you think this looks like the actual collapse failure on the north side face of WTC7



This what the collapse looked like in reality at the north face of WTC7


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posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 06:44 AM
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neutronflux Are you just going to ignore the loud noise heard on WTC7 video a second before the Penthouse caved in. That sound obviously came from WTC7. That could be columns getting severed and then everything starts falling inside the building which takes a bit of time.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux


Yes

You tell me what do i hear on that audio?

Again reminded, marker 14:48 to 15:15
youtu.be...


I only hear the helicopter noise and sirens? Can you isolate what you think you heard?

Ok, you talking about the noise at 15.07 I think? Possible this was demolition charges going off but they're not enough here to conclusively say this.
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posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Are you just going to ignore the loud noise heard on WTC7 video a second before the Penthouse caved in. That sound obviously came from WTC7. That could be columns getting severed and then everything starts falling inside the building which takes a bit of time.


I guess you only read your own posts?

For just you again...

For an explosive to cut steel, it must create a pressure wave that generates enough energy and force to sever the steel. The resultant pressure wave results in a audible signature that is 130 to 140 DB. The pressure wave will result in an over pressure event that will blown out windows, set off car alarms, and ejected shrapnel with a burnt and washed appearance. The explosions create flashes of light.

Below is a link to a controlled implosion with traps to capture shrapnel, and the building windows removed.



Explosive Building Implosion | Demolition Show
m.youtube.com...


he explosions are clearly heard when removing the resistance of multiple floors. The truth movement claims the resistance of all 110 floors of each tower had to be removed. The explosions in the video create echo after echo bouncing around the city. The explosions still create visible flashes of light despite having traps to capture shrapnel. The video camera distinctly shakes with the force of the larger explosions.

If explosives were used to cut steel columns at the WTC, it would be obvious and distinct. The first rounds of explosions to set the collapse in motion would be frighteningly imposing in their resulting sound. Not, there might be a detention at this time spot.

Nobody said there was no explosions at the WTC. Items like fire extinguishers, air conditioning compressors in building AC units, compressors in vending machine/refrigerators, electrical transformers, large batteries for battery rooms, and water trapped in pipes will cause explosions when sufficiently heated.

And there is no doubt when floor connections failed, it resulted in some form of audible pressure wave.

The stored potential energy of the towers was something to the equivalent of 250 tons of TNT. When that kind of stored energy is converted to kinetic energy in a matter of seconds, it’s going to make some sound.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux


Yes

You tell me what do i hear on that audio?

Again reminded, marker 14:48 to 15:15
youtu.be...


I only hear the helicopter noise and sirens? Can you isolate what you think you heard?

Ok, you talking about the noise at 15.07 I think? Possible this was demolition charges going off but they're not enough here to conclusively say this.


There is no sounds from a detonation with the energy to cut steel. Why do you think Architects and Engineers started pushing mythical fizzle no flash explosives.

And you still have not provided any evidence the exterior columns of WTC 7 being cut during its collapse.

With no explanation how slow and inconsistent burning fizzle no flash explosives could pull of a sophisticated and split timed fantasy implosion.

With out an explanation how a sophisticated and split timed fantasy implosion system that had to remove the resistance of columns floor to floor would survive WTC 7 being damaged from the twin towers collapse and wide spread fires.

With no explanation how the fantasy CD system would be installed from column to colum, floor by 47 floors.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 07:34 AM
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neutronflux You need to watch this video.
www.youtube.com...

Demolitions of a building do not always repeat the same noise. Often it can be one sharp bang and then failure. The shape of the building is factored in when you take down a building. And whoever did this to WTC7 was probably not using explosives demolitions expert use? They will try to cover their tracks. What you claim has to happen would expose this sinister act.

That Nanothermite was found, they have access to sophisticated chemistry technologies.

That noise heard in the WTC7 is louder than 130db. 130DB is just the noise of a drill being heard.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 07:43 AM
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neutronflux Dr Hulsey study will be out before the end of the year. His computer simulation will show everyone how this was done.

His computer simulation side by side with WTC7 actual collapse will be the final nail in the coffin.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: Jesushere
You


That noise heard in the WTC7 is louder than 130db. 130DB is just the noise of a drill being heard.


Your are the most disingenuous poster here.
An electric drill is not 130 DB




www.industrialnoisecontrol.com...

Garbage disposal, dishwasher, average factory, freight train (at 15 meters). Car wash at 20 ft (89 dB); propeller plane flyover at 1000 ft (88 dB); diesel truck 40 mph at 50 ft (84 dB); diesel train at 45 mph at 100 ft (83 dB). Food blender (88 dB); milling machine (85 dB); garbage disposal (80 dB).


Are you saying an electric drill is louder than an automobile horn at 110 DB or a live rock concert at 108Db?

130 DB is a military jet taking off loud.

120 DB is
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Painful. 32 times as loud as 70 dB.


The fact there is no obvious detonations and AE inverted mythical fizzle no flash explosives is due to no evidence of an audio signature of a detonation with the power to cut steel.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:13 AM
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Demolitions of a building do not always repeat the same noise. Often it can be one sharp bang and then failure.


So, are you saying once collapse is initiated the witnessed rates at the WTC can be solely achieved by gravity?

Or do you still maintain that demolitions had to take out the resistance of every column floor by floor? If so.....

There is no sounds from a detonation with the energy to cut steel. Why do you think Architects and Engineers started pushing mythical fizzle no flash explosives.

And you still have not provided any evidence the exterior columns of WTC 7 being cut during its collapse.

With no explanation how slow and inconsistent burning fizzle no flash explosives could pull of a sophisticated and split timed fantasy implosion.

With out an explanation how a sophisticated and split timed fantasy implosion system that had to remove the resistance of columns floor to floor would survive WTC 7 being damaged from the twin towers collapse and wide spread fires.

With no explanation how the fantasy CD system would be installed from column to colum, floor by 47 floors.



posted on Sep, 8 2018 @ 08:35 AM
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You


That noise heard in the WTC7 is louder than 130db. 130DB is just the noise of a drill being heard.


Your blatant willingness to post obvious falsehoods lacking any logic is quite appalling......




www.commerce.wa.gov.au...

The quietest form of drill is the cordless variety, which produces around 78 dB(A). The normal hand held drill produces between 90 and 94 dB(A) and hammer drills produce in excess of 100 dB(A). Hearing protection should be worn when operating mains powered electric drills.




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