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The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

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posted on Aug, 24 2018 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: Jesushere



Dr Milette promised a peer to review paper in 2012 debunking the red/grey chips and that never materialized.


Can you cite the actual quote? And why? He already published:



Microscopical Studies of World Trade Center Disaster Dust Particles
J.R. Millette (a1), R. Boltin (a1), P. Few (a1) and W. Turner (a1)
doi.org...
Published online: 14 March 2018

www.cambridge.org... E84FD6D4E8D1D5F

Concern over the potential health effects of breathing this dust made it imperative that the WTC dust be characterized as completely as possible. As part of this characterization, a microscopical examination using several types of microscopes provided key data on the components of the dust.


Does that not contain a detailed composition of material in the dust?




posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:37 AM
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neutronflux After finding this FEMA study from 2002 I am convinced more now NIST was involved in a cover-up.

NIST lied nobody saw Molten steel and Molten Iron or they saw a liquid substance containing Iron. We know this a lie you can't deny that people witnessed this when there are videos and photographic evidence that contradicts this view.

What did FEMA find in 2002 before NIST got involved? Two samples of heavily corroded steel with large see-through holes. What did FEMA also find a liquified melted liquid on the steel surface that contained Iron, Oxygen and Sulphur.

What happens when you ignite thermite it leaves behind Iron Microsphere. What is rusted steel but Iron. The yellow liquid people saw coming out of towers may be the iron liquid FEMA found on the steel?

Corroding steel requires a temp of 1000c to 1500c. The evidence is there WTC7 was brought down by nano-thermite.
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posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: Jesushere

Tryin to change the topic the red chips are clearly paint?



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:46 AM
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This is what Millette did to look for elemental aluminum to prove or disprove its existence in the WTC dust, and fount no elemental aluminum.



aneta.org...

There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles detected by PLM, SEM-EDS, or TEM-SAED-EDS, during the analyses of the red layers in their original form or after sample preparation by ashing, thin sectioning or following MEK treatment.


What analysis did Harrit conduct to prove or disprove elemental aluminum in his samples?

What lab did Harrit submit his samples to, to verify active thermite for completing the discovery process?



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:46 AM
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neutronflux I not changing the subject FEMA evidence, eyewitnesses accounts, the building came down in free fall all point to WTC7 was brought down by explosives or nano-thermite. Paints don't make sense you have should provide an experiment then that proves that? Dr Milette openly admits he did not find Strontium chromate in his test sample, that did not show up under microscopy.
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posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:48 AM
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neutronflux Did you say before Elemental aluminium is free? What does free mean to you separate or combined?



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:49 AM
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Corroding steel requires a temp of 1000c to 1500c. The evidence is there WTC7 was brought down by nano-thermite.


WTF? What corrosion takes 1000f? Millions of cars are corroding and rustin away on the road and in driveways right now?



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:52 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Did you say before Elemental aluminium is free? What does free mean to you separate or combined?


If all or a majority of the aluminum is bound in oxide for example, then it’s not in the right form for a thermite reaction. If the aluminum is bound, then there is no active thermite.



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:53 AM
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neutronflux The clue is FEMA found a melted liquid on the steel that contained Iron, Sulphur, and Oxygen. You can't eat thriough steel like that if the temp was low it had to be 1000c to 1500c at least heat on the steel beam.



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux The clue is FEMA found a melted liquid on the steel that contained Iron, Sulphur, and Oxygen. You can't eat thriough steel like that if the temp was low it had to be 1000c to 1500c at least heat on the steel beam.


Based on what scientific law?



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux I not changing the subject FEMA evidence, eyewitnesses accounts, the building came down in free fall all point to WTC7 was brought down by explosives or nano-thermite. Paints don't make sense you have should provide an experiment then that proves that? Dr Milette openly admits he did not find Strontium chromate in his test sample, that did not show up under microscopy.


You did not answer the question.

Yet Harrits claim of thermite was in a mix containing “an epoxy resin and kaolin clay “ and “iron oxide pigment and plates of aluminum/silicon consistent with reference samples of kaolin“

Why would anyone mix thermite in paint? Maybe because there was no thermite. No free aluminum for a thermite reaction.



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 07:57 AM
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neutronflux Harrit clearly states the aluminium was not bound with silicon in one of the samples, it's basically free separate aluminium he saw.

You believe a chemistry professor does not know that?
If all or a majority of the aluminum is bound in oxide for example, then it’s not in the right form for a thermite reaction



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 08:04 AM
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You


What happens when you ignite thermite it leaves behind Iron Microsphere. What is rusted steel but Iron.


concept error by you. There is microspheres from a thermite reaction because there is iron in the reaction, not because thermite reactions are the sole creator of microspheres. Iron microspheres are caused by other forms of fire and energy, or anything that would burn rust.




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posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Harrit clearly states the aluminium was not bound with silicon in one of the samples, it's basically free separate aluminium he saw.

You believe a chemistry professor does not know that?
If all or a majority of the aluminum is bound in oxide for example, then it’s not in the right form for a thermite reaction


What test did he run to draw that conclusion.

Millette reported the below which resulted in no evidence of elemental aluminum:



aneta.org...

There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles detected by PLM, SEM-EDS, or TEM-SAED-EDS, during the analyses of the red layers in their original form or after sample preparation by ashing, thin sectioning or following MEK treatment.



Harrit is a snake oil salesmen, get over it.



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux I not changing the subject FEMA evidence, eyewitnesses accounts, the building came down in free fall all point to WTC7 was brought down by explosives or nano-thermite. Paints don't make sense you have should provide an experiment then that proves that? Dr Milette openly admits he did not find Strontium chromate in his test sample, that did not show up under microscopy.


What test did Harrit run to show there was elemental aluminum in his sample to prove active thermite.

What lab did he submit the samples to verify active thermite to complete the discovery process.

You did not answer the question.

Yet Harrits claim of thermite was in a mix containing “an epoxy resin and kaolin clay “ and “iron oxide pigment and plates of aluminum/silicon consistent with reference samples of kaolin“

Why would anyone mix thermite in paint? Maybe because there was no thermite. No free aluminum for a thermite reaction



posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 08:20 AM
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Misleading reciting of WTC 7 collapse by you.



neutronflux I not changing the subject FEMA evidence, eyewitnesses accounts, the building came down in free fall all point to WTC7 was brought down by explosives or nano-thermite.


The only claim by NIST was the facade of WTC 7 fell at the rate of free fall in the middle of the facade’s collapse.

WTC 7 video clearly shows the interior of WTC 7 started to collapse several seconds before the facade even began to move. A whole roof top penthouse disappeared below WTC 7’s roof line a few seconds before the facade began to move.

As measured by NIST from a single pixel on one side of WTC 7 facade,
The facade stated to move. Its first second of movement was not at the rate of free fall. The facade achieved the rate of free fall mid collapse. The facade slowed down before the collapse was over, so the last stage of the facade’s collapse was slower than the rate of free fall.

Is that false.
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posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 08:30 AM
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What other contradictions and falsehoods do you have.

It’s fun when you state everything was sent to China. Then you talk about steel samples taken by the government?

Or your other falsehoods. like the perimeter walls of the towers were not composed of the outer columns.

Or state misleading facts, like WTC 7 fell at free fall. Especially when video shows the WTC 7 collapse went on for several seconds with the start of the visible movement of the WTC 7 penthouse. And the only thing attributed o archiving free fall speed was WTC 7’s facade for a period of time mid collapse of the facade’s collapse.
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posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere

Corroding steel requires a temp of 1000c to 1500c.



You are SO SO wrong.

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posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 01:29 PM
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neutronflux I not going to keep repeating myself for your benefit if you don't understand Harrit work I can't help you time to move on from this.

Like so many of your false claims in this thread this not accurate.
The only claim by NIST was the facade of WTC 7 fell at the rate of free fall in the middle of the facade’s collapse.

This is false NIST talks about freefall occurring on 8 floors at a rate of 2.25 seconds. You can't have freefall in just the middle of the floor, Jesus.

WTC 7 video clearly shows the interior of WTC 7 started to collapse several seconds before the facade even began to move.



But where's your evidence this would remove structural resistance on the bottom 8 floors? Have you actually timed the Penthouse collapse with NIST computer simulation model? They are miles apart, the video online of WTC7 falling shows a six to seven-second delay rate once the Penthouse decent down. The right side then starts to fall. NIST model shows a delay of over 20 seconds before the building started to decent down. They increased the time to hide or give more time for the floors to collapse ( freefall) this did not happen at all media video of WTC7 proves that.

It’s fun when you state everything was sent to China. Then you talk about steel samples taken by the government?

like the perimeter walls of the towers were not composed of the outer columns. You were showing me a perimeter wall frame and saying look at that. Forgetting I could not see the perimeter internal column and the main steel core was located in middle.

Keeping a few samples doesn't dispute what i said, they shipped most of the steel off to China rather then keeping for a future investigation that may arise but as we know now never occurred.
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posted on Aug, 25 2018 @ 01:39 PM
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