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The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 06:19 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere




Primer paint does not match the composition of the red/grey chips anyhow



How would Harrit know? He did not take all effort to ensure he had representative samples of all coatings used st the WTC


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Another primer at the WTC: LaClede Standard Primer
Abstract
There was not only one steel primer used on WTC tower structural steels, but at least one other primer:

LaClede Standard Primer is a zinc-free paint formulation with which the floor joists of the twin towers were painted.

The painted area of these LaClede-painted floor joists in both towers was roughly 600,000 m2 while Tnemec is only known to have been specified for about 400,000 m2 of perimeter column surface. For the rest of the structural steel – core columns, hat truss and others, a total of 300,000 m2 the primer used isn't known.

Claims that Niels Harrit proved that some red-gray chips in the WTC dust are not WTC primer are basing this claim on the FALSE assumption that Tnemec was the only primer used. In fact, I will show that the chips that Harrit proved to not be Tnemec look very much like LaClede Standard Primer.


Harrit did the correct analysis he tested the primer paint NIST claimed was used on the steel.

[3] Carino, N. J.; Starnes, M. A.; Gross, J. L.; Yang, J. C.; Kukuck, S. R.; Prasad, K. R.; Bukowski, R. W.: Passive Fire Protection. Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (NIST NCSTAR 1-6A). 2005. Page 87: “...Series 10 Tnemec Prime (99 red), which is the primer that was specified for the exterior columns”

This Skeptic who owns this blog claims LaClede Standard Primer was also used but doesn't actually provide a link to confirm his work. Can you see it.




posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 06:25 AM
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a reply to: Jesushere

And show where Harrit found elemental aluminum in his samples, or tried to ignite his samples in an oxygen free atmosphere to conclusively prove thermite.

Cite one published work Harrit used a property solely exclusive to thermite to prove thermite was is his samples. Saying it had to be thermite because it was exothermic is like saying a mammal is a Homo sapien becsuse it breaths air?
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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 06:26 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

Or is the below a blatant false statement?


Yes, Harrit found elemental aluminium in his dust samples.


You got the video of the two scientists talking about this.


2. Test Using Methyl Ethyl Ketone Solvent You find it in this section of Harrit paper.

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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 06:28 AM
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a reply to: Jesushere

Quote the study where Harrit found elemental aluminum in his samples, not videos.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 06:31 AM
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Link to his paper


Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
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If free elemental aluminum was not found in his samples, how was active thermite found?



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 06:36 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

And show where Harrit found elemental aluminum in his samples, or tried to ignite his samples in an oxygen free atmosphere to conclusively prove thermite.

Cite one published work Harrit used a property solely exclusive to thermite to prove thermite was is his samples. Saying it had to be thermite because it was exothermic is like saying a mammal is a Homo sapien becsuse it breaths air?


What would be the point of that when thermite has its own oxygen supply it can ignite in a vacuum without air. Its a totally irrelevant experiment.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
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Link to his paper


Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
benthamopen.com...


If free elemental aluminum was not found in his samples, how was active thermite found?


Elemental aluminium was found in his samples he stated that unless you seeing something I don't quote away. Free what you mean by that?



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

Link to his paper


Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
benthamopen.com...


If free elemental aluminum was not found in his samples, how was active thermite found?


Elemental aluminium was found in his samples he stated that unless you seeing something I don't quote away. Free what you mean by that?


Then quote where in the study where its was found? Feel free to use the link below?




Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

benthamopen.com...



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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:18 AM
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There is a number of references just a couple for you.

Focusing the electron beam on a region rich in silicon,
located in Fig. (15e), we find silicon and oxygen and very
little else (Fig. 16). Evidently, the solvent has disrupted the
matrix holding the various particles, allowing some migration
and separation of the components. This is a significant
result for it means that the aluminium and silicon are not
bound chemically.
The next XEDS spectrum (Fig. 17) was acquired from a
region that showed a high concentration of aluminium. Using
a conventional quantification routine, it was found that the
aluminium significantly exceeded the oxygen present (approximately
a 3:1 ratio). Thus, while some of the aluminium
may be oxidized, there is insufficient oxygen present to account
for all of the aluminium; some of the aluminium must, therefore, exist in elemental form in the red material. This is
an important result. Aluminium particles are covered with a
layer of aluminium oxide irrespective of size, thus it is reasonable
to find a significant oxygen content with the aluminium,
given the very high surface area to volume ratio of
these very fine particles.

quote 2
Our observations show that the red material contains substantial
amounts of aluminium, iron and oxygen, mixed together
very finely. In the sample soaked in MEK, we observed a clear migration and aggregation of the aluminium away from other elements and determined that elemental aluminium and iron oxide must be present. In the product
collected after DSC ignition, we found spheres which were
not initially present. Many of these spheres were iron-rich
and elemental iron was found in the post-ignition debris.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:36 AM
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some of the aluminium must, therefore, exist in elemental form in the red material. This is
an important result. Aluminium particles are covered with a
layer of aluminium oxide irrespective of size,


Finding only aluminum oxide, and assuming elemental aluminum exists in the sample is pseudoscience.

Anyway, aluminum in an aluminum oxide coating is not the thermite reaction.
Fe2O3 + 2 AL

Now show where Harrit tried to prove the two components of thermite, Fe2O3 + 2 Al were actually present in a form a thermite reaction could take place.

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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:40 AM
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You have an exothermic reaction which could be any fuel, and an assumption of elemental aluminum in the samples.

Pseudoscience to say the sample had active thermite.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:42 AM
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Then never use an inherit property of thermite to prove conclusively there was thermite.

Double pseudoscience.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:46 AM
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You state this:


Yes, Harrit found elemental aluminium in his dust samples.


And only can produce this?


some of the aluminium must, therefore, exist in elemental form


An assumption of elemental aluminum?

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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:47 AM
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Finding only aluminum oxide, and assuming elemental aluminum exists in the sample is pseudoscience.
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Oh my God are you this stupid they are the same thing. Aluminium oxide is the chemical signature of Aluminium. If they finding Aluminium oxide that means Aluminium had to be present.

Elemental Aluminium is just Aluminium there nothing fancy about it.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
Finding only aluminum oxide, and assuming elemental aluminum exists in the sample is pseudoscience.
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Oh my God are you this stupid they are the same thing. Aluminium oxide is the chemical signature of Aluminium. If they finding Aluminium oxide that means Aluminium had to be present.

Elemental Aluminium is just Aluminium there nothing fancy about it.


Testing to conclusively prove the components of active thermite exists is very different than assuming.

Especially when you stated


Yes, Harrit found elemental aluminium in his dust samples.


You said nothing about it was just assumed the elemental aluminum was free to act in thermite reaction. You blatantly implied it was found.
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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:53 AM
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Oh my God are you this stupid they are the same thing. Aluminium oxide is the chemical signature of Aluminium. If they finding Aluminium oxide that means Aluminium had to be present.


The thermite reaction does not use aluminum oxide. Is that false?



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

You have an exothermic reaction which could be any fuel, and an assumption of elemental aluminum in the samples.

Pseudoscience to say the sample had active thermite.



You ignoring or just choosing to ignore it the red/greys had all the chemical signs of thermite. It ignited at a low temperature too. What you even talking about fuel?



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

You have an exothermic reaction which could be any fuel, and an assumption of elemental aluminum in the samples.

Pseudoscience to say the sample had active thermite.



You ignoring or just choosing to ignore it the red/greys had all the chemical signs of thermite. It ignited at a low temperature too. What you even talking about fuel?


Which is meaningless if there was no elemental aluminum for a thermite reaction.



posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:58 AM
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The thermite reaction does not use aluminum oxide. Is that false?

Yes, it is false Aluminum and oxygen present will form Aluminium oxide.

Harrit theory would not even make sense if he observed no Aluminium in the dust samples. You can't have a thermite reaction without it.
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posted on Aug, 20 2018 @ 07:58 AM
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To base a study on an assumption is the highest degree of pseudoscience. The presence of elemental aluminum free to take part in a thermite reaction needs to be proven.




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