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The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:23 AM
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Did any of the 9/11 passengers passports survive?


Were any flights international that required every passenger to have one?




posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:31 AM
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neutronflux@ I'M convinced you don't even read the links you post

Quote from that Dr James Millette who is independent and was given access.
I was asked to analyze the materials to see if I could confirm or not confirm their conclusion. My initial tests showed similar findings in terms of the characteristics of the chips. However, additional testing following analytical forensic methods showed that the chips were not thermite or nano-thermite. We repeated the tests on 4 different samples from different locations and found the same result – not thermite

He confirms Harrit experiments were genuine and real. He differs in their conclusion the red/grey chips were unreacted nano-thermite. I not sure why his doubting their conclusions when the red/grey chips have the same material composition of thermite and red/grey chips reacted upon when heated. What does he think the red/grey chips are if not thermite, what is his theory?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:44 AM
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neutronflux Would Saudis have needed their passport or would an ID with a picture and address have been ok to board the plane on 9/11?

Personel items found after the towers collapsed is not that surprising. We talking about a passport surviving before the tower collapse, you can believe it I don't. Just like 19 passenger photographs appearing 36 hours after the attacks. They're not even passport photographs. This has to be fast investigation ever to figuring out who boarded the plane.

And the Pentagon attack there obviously was 6 hijackers, not 5. Renne May identified 6 guys and you clearly saw on the video feed at the airport but for some reason, they have not named him?
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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Would Saudis have needed their passport or would an ID with a picture and address have been ok to board the plane on 9/11?

Personel items found after the towers collapsed is not that surprising. We talking about a passport surviving before the tower collapse, you can believe it I don't. Just like 19 passenger photographs appearing 36 hours after the attacks. They're not even passport photographs. This has to be fast investigation ever to figuring out who boarded the plane.

And the Pentagon attack there obviously was 6 hijackers, not 5. Renne May identified 6 guys and you clearly saw on the video feed at the airport but for some reason, they have not named him?


What does that have to do with there is no physical evidence stemming directly from cut columns, thermite, or detonations with the force to cut columns by pressure wave.

Can you cite direct physical evidence of demolitions, or the video evidence, or the audio record, or the seismic record planted charges brought down WTC 1 and 2.

Or you just going to keep changing the subject and use innuendo. Classic conspiracist........



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 11:24 AM
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And it is expected personal items will survive a jet crash. Is that a false statement?

You are using arguments with no context.



owers collapsed is not that surprising. We talking about a passport surviving before the tower collapse, you can believe it I don't.



Context on passports surviving jet crashes.



Remnants of Lives Lost: Passenger Belongings From MH17 (Photos)
www.thedailybeast.com...


And there was jet wreckage that made it to the streets. And accounts of human remains?

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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux@ I'M convinced you don't even read the links you post

Quote from that Dr James Millette who is independent and was given access.
I was asked to analyze the materials to see if I could confirm or not confirm their conclusion. My initial tests showed similar findings in terms of the characteristics of the chips. However, additional testing following analytical forensic methods showed that the chips were not thermite or nano-thermite. We repeated the tests on 4 different samples from different locations and found the same result – not thermite

He confirms Harrit experiments were genuine and real. He differs in their conclusion the red/grey chips were unreacted nano-thermite. I not sure why his doubting their conclusions when the red/grey chips have the same material composition of thermite and red/grey chips reacted upon when heated. What does he think the red/grey chips are if not thermite, what is his theory?


One, I think the analysis was put together by Chris Mohr and the International Skeptics. I don’t think Harrit played willingly? As gave up his samples.

Two, the chips were only found to be exothermic? Which doesn’t mean self sustaining. Gas burning is an exothermic reaction. Just means it releases more energy than consumes.

Third. There was no thermite found. So, why are you acting like there was thermite at the WTC?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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I find it odd you claim it had to be CD at the WTC? But all you want to do is talk about passports, and now there is no thermite in the WTC dust? Why not discuss the videos with the actual collapse of the towers? The video that shows the initiation of collapse at WTC 2?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:31 PM
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neutronflux What you mean by Cut Columns? You have to cite evidence Fema and NIST tested for explosives. NIST confirms they never did test for thermite or explosives and unlikely FEMA did either. I don't know what brought the buildings down but it's obvious the WTC7 NIST study is flawed so you have to look at other alternatives ie explosions was the cause.

And the fact the Skeptics have no theory that adequately explains the red/grey chips is telling. If you have no idea what it could be, why you ruling out the obvious, even if it is unbelievable to your mind, people used nano-thermite to help bring the building down
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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:46 PM
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neutronflux The chips produced a thermite reaction the tests showed that. If you don't believe the red/grey chips are thermite you have to identify what it is then and Skeptics have not. Their composition was identical to thermite. The red grains are unusual because you not find normal standard thermite, this small. They were 100nm in size,.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux What you mean by Cut Columns? You have to cite evidence Fema and NIST tested for explosives. NIST confirms they never did test for thermite or explosives and unlikely FEMA did either. I don't know what brought the buildings down but it's obvious the WTC7 NIST study is flawed so you have to look at other alternatives ie explosions was the cause.

And the fact the Skeptics have no theory that adequately explains the red/grey chips is telling. If you have no idea what it could be, why you ruling out the obvious, even if it is unbelievable to your mind, people used nano-thermite to help bring the building down


Can you point to video, audio, seismic evidence that shows they should have tested for explosives?

That argument again? Test what? Did they not test the metal with metallurgy on at the grain level of the steel? No evidence of steel worked over by demolitions. The hand searching of WTC rubble recovered 19,000 human remains. 6000 parts were small enough to fit in test tubes. No shrapnel, blasting cap fragments, and no detonator fragments were present to test, which are the items normally tested for explosives.

That leaves randomly testing over 1,000,000 tons of rubble that was left out in the weather, smoldering in a toxic soup of burnet plastics, fabrics, computers, carpet, building machinery, wire insulation and spread with water? How would testing that mess for explosives be meaningful in any anyway?

Anymore false arguments?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux The chips produced a thermite reaction the tests showed that. If you don't believe the red/grey chips are thermite you have to identify what it is then and Skeptics have not. Their composition was identical to thermite. The red grains are unusual because you not find normal standard thermite, this small. They were 100nm in size,.


Quote Harrit’s paper where it claims a thermite reaction took place? I think the wording is exothermic reaction. That is any reaction that produces heat. Exothermic has nothing to do with if it needs an outside source of oxygen, or is self sustaining.
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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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This is a quote from the Harrit paper...



Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

benthamopen.com...

As measured using DSC, the material ignites and re- acts vigorously at a temperature of approximately 430 ̊C, with a rather narrow exotherm, matching fairly closely an independent observation on a known super-thermite sample. The low temperature of igni- tion and the presence of iron oxide grains less than 120 nm show that the material is not conventional thermite (which ignites at temperatures above 900 ̊C) but very likely a form of super-thermite.


Now quote in the paper where they found a thermite reaction.

They are basically making the below claim off an exothermic reaction that could be anything.



benthamopen.com...

Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.


As far as the papers claim about paint...



Could the Red Chip Material be Ordinary Paint?


What does that mean? So the WTC used paint that was not ordinary .....

The paper is just a bunch of crap thrown together. How can you claim thermite without actually checking for a thermite reaction? About anything burns if you add enough oxygen. Thermite would burn in an intern atmosphere. Why not do that simple test with WTC dust?
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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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neutronflux exothermic reaction is energy released by heat. What does happen during a thermite reaction? Again stopping posting things you have no clue about.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 01:48 PM
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neutronflux What does that mean? Are you normally this confused you quoted the headline Could the Red Chip Material be Ordinary Paint? Harrit went over the possibilities and debunked it.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 01:54 PM
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neutronflux Get off Skeptics sites and read hard facts about Atta. You have to only look into his background to know he was an intelligence Asset. He probably ran up huge debts paying for coc aine, women, booze and night outs in cities and his handlers gave an ultimatum to do 9/11 or else?

Just reading this you can tell he not some cave-dwelling Jihadist

looseword.wordpress.com...



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux What does that mean? Are you normally this confused you quoted the headline Could the Red Chip Material be Ordinary Paint? Harrit went over the possibilities and debunked it.


No, labeling “normal paint” is BS. Did they use normal house paint in the WTC? Model paint?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux exothermic reaction is energy released by heat. What does happen during a thermite reaction? Again stopping posting things you have no clue about.


Any reaction that produces heat is exothermic. Like burning gas, paint, wood, paper, those heat packs for your back.

Saying it had to be thermite because of a exothermic reaction is like saying you have cancer because of a pain in the back.

Quote where Harrit said he found a thermite reaction. Only a thermite reaction would proved he had thermite in his WTC dust. He could have simply done that by trying to ignite his dust in an inert atmosphere.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 02:45 PM
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neutronflux a Skeptic blog on the issue but read the comments after.

oystein-debate.blogspot.com...
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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 02:48 PM
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neutronflux www.youtube.com... listen to the man himself



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 04:59 PM
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When you can quote Harrit found a thermite reaction In his ample?




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