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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
I'm sorry to hear about your condition, friend.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot
With a few exceptions it really is free at point of use.
I suppose if you don't pay taxes it might be. But that's just a way of hiding that fact that someone else is paying for it.
Still free at point of use, that is the point.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
Had a friend stung in similar situation when he switched to self employed contractor status for (a lot) more money.
Being ill is bad enough without having to worry about your income as well.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot
With a few exceptions it really is free at point of use.
I suppose if you don't pay taxes it might be. But that's just a way of hiding that fact that someone else is paying for it.
Still free at point of use, that is the point.
No it isn't. Unless the healthcare system runs on air, it isn't free.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot
Not sure I follow. How is having guaranteed treatment under the NHS with option of private if you have the means or insurance more difficult than only bring able to get treatment privately?
What I said was, "It gets a little difficult when your only answer to health needs is state-run healthcare". Examples of this includes people who cannot afford private healthcare, and are thus stuck with the bureaucratic version.
originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
originally posted by: ScepticScot
Had a friend stung in similar situation when he switched to self employed contractor status for (a lot) more money.
Being ill is bad enough without having to worry about your income as well.
It's something I've told all my self employed mates about, and every one of them have taken policies out now, just in case.
Accident & critical illness loss of income insurance - So something good has come out of it at least because none of my mates will find themselves in a similar position now.
As I said, I am a prize knob
originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot
Haha yes! "Oh it can wait, I'll do it next week..."
My experience has certainly given my self employed mates a wake up call, so silver lining in my personal fluffy cloud.
originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
As an aside, I checked out the welfare benefits available for me being incapacitated, turns out roughly £73 per week.
I make more than that in a day so didn't bother and instead am doing a couple of days work here and there as I'm able to.
How anyone can live on a tenner a day I can only imagine, must be hell.
originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ScepticScot
Haha!
...and yes, £73 a week, rising to I believe to £109 if they deem the condition to make all work impossible after 13 weeks. Something called ESA Employment Support Allowance.
Oh, I'd get a full discount on my Council Tax as well (Property tax to US readers) so that would also save me £140 a month, but still, I'd be well poor.
Tenner a day on coffee?!
I have one a day in the morning, filthy black fluid I treat solely as a wake up drug...65 pence a jar Tesco basics, it is minging but does the trick!
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
...stuff goes here...
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
but legal for them to withdraw nutrients so I starve slowly to death. Madness.
Again we are not taking food away from anyone.
When you are so sick that you cannot eat and your kidneys have packed in, your liver is just building up toxins and your body is starting to shut down due to sepsis or your cancer has progressed to the point your totally cachexic and it's is killing you then their reaches a point where their is no point in providing nutritional support.
originally posted by: EvillerBob
The intent is never that "somebody dies". The intent is to let nature take its course - which may mean death, but may mean life.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
Can't be easy on that if you have been used to decent money.
Yes sadly I drink the expensive girly coffees that come on oversized cups with sprinkles on top.
originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
I support euthanasia but you are just flat out wrong to say that its happening in the UK with the removal of food and fluids.
When it gets to a point where you have terminal multiple organ failure then it does not matter if you if you have food or not you will die. If you can take food then you will be provided with food.
You are making it sound like we just stop feeding people witch is just simply not the reality.
The child in Liverpool is breathing with the help of ocassional mouth to mouth from his parents, but the doctors are authorised to withdraw fluids/nutrition with the intent that he dies. It seems that way to me, why not authorise a decent morphine overdose?
It is euthanasia just the same.