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Breaking: Ronny Jackson withdraws as Trump’s nominee to lead Veterans Affairs

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posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: JDmOKI

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Ronny Jackson withdraws as Trump’s nominee to lead Veterans Affairs

Ronny L. Jackson, President Trump’s embattled nominee to lead the Department of Veterans Affairs, withdrew from consideration Thursday amid mushrooming allegations of professional misconduct that raised questions about the White House vetting process.

“The allegations against me are completely false and fabricated,” Jackson said in a statement. “If they had any merit, I would not have been selected, promoted and entrusted to serve in such a sensitive and important role as physician to three presidents over the past 12 years.”

Jackson’s nomination had become imperiled even before Capitol Hill Democrats on Wednesday released new allegations of professional misconduct. The claims include that Jackson, the White House physician, had wrecked a government vehicle after getting drunk at a Secret Service going-away party.

The allegations were contained in a two-page document described by the Democratic staff of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee as a summary of interviews with 23 of Jackson’s current and former colleagues. The document also described Jackson’s “pattern” of handing out medication with no patient history, writing himself prescriptions and contributing to a hostile work environment with “a constant fear of reprisal.”

Veteran advocates and many lawmakers also had expressed concerns about Jackson’s lack of management experience, and some have worried that he would capitulate to President Trump’s goal of outsourcing more veteran services.


Good. Just because this guy is a doctor doesn't mean he is qualified to lead the VA. Of course he continues to deny the allegations, but at least he did the right thing and withdrew his nomination.


I'd withdraw after the media character assassination. I bet he thought it wouldn't be a problem since the all mighty Obama endorsed him and was used in past administrations. But suddenly he's the candy man for pills.

Since when did Obama endorse him to be the head of the VA? Do you have a source for that?


I don't blame the guy at all for withdrawing

Me neither. He made the right call since he knows deep down he'd be in WAY over his head and out of his element trying to head up the VA.


So based on your debate stance, the current head of the DoD, retired General Maddis, can’t run the DoD either? Pretty sure that’s a couple of million employees. Seems he’s doing a mighty fine job to me.




posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: Lab4Us

Who is General Maddis? I haven't heard of anyone named General Maddis heading up the DoD. Now, if you are talking about one General Mattis (if you are going to bring the dude up you should spell his name correctly), he has a VERY distinguished career leading troops across several wars.
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posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: JDmOKI

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Ronny Jackson withdraws as Trump’s nominee to lead Veterans Affairs

Ronny L. Jackson, President Trump’s embattled nominee to lead the Department of Veterans Affairs, withdrew from consideration Thursday amid mushrooming allegations of professional misconduct that raised questions about the White House vetting process.

“The allegations against me are completely false and fabricated,” Jackson said in a statement. “If they had any merit, I would not have been selected, promoted and entrusted to serve in such a sensitive and important role as physician to three presidents over the past 12 years.”

Jackson’s nomination had become imperiled even before Capitol Hill Democrats on Wednesday released new allegations of professional misconduct. The claims include that Jackson, the White House physician, had wrecked a government vehicle after getting drunk at a Secret Service going-away party.

The allegations were contained in a two-page document described by the Democratic staff of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee as a summary of interviews with 23 of Jackson’s current and former colleagues. The document also described Jackson’s “pattern” of handing out medication with no patient history, writing himself prescriptions and contributing to a hostile work environment with “a constant fear of reprisal.”

Veteran advocates and many lawmakers also had expressed concerns about Jackson’s lack of management experience, and some have worried that he would capitulate to President Trump’s goal of outsourcing more veteran services.


Good. Just because this guy is a doctor doesn't mean he is qualified to lead the VA. Of course he continues to deny the allegations, but at least he did the right thing and withdrew his nomination.


I'd withdraw after the media character assassination. I bet he thought it wouldn't be a problem since the all mighty Obama endorsed him and was used in past administrations. But suddenly he's the candy man for pills.

Since when did Obama endorse him to be the head of the VA? Do you have a source for that?


I don't blame the guy at all for withdrawing

Me neither. He made the right call since he knows deep down he'd be in WAY over his head and out of his element trying to head up the VA.


So based on your debate stance, the current head of the DoD, retired General Maddis, can’t run the DoD either? Pretty sure that’s a couple of million employees. Seems he’s doing a mighty fine job to me.


Pretty sure Mattis commanded more men by the time he was a Captain in the Marine Corps than Jackson has commanded in his entire career.

If you're going to try and measure dicks, Mattis isn't really the guy you want to compare Jackson to.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

Wanna bet that he is one of the types that believes that just because someone holds an officer rank that means they've led troops in the past?



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t


Pay cut..more stress..really hard work dealing with ingrained VA Swamp Creatures. I don't blame Dr. Admiral Ronny Jackson one bit. I don't even think he asked for that job, LOL.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I don't even think he asked for that job, LOL.

I'm going to have to agree with you on that. I'm pretty sure this was 100% a Trump decision that he came up with out of the blue.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Can guarandamntee there's absolutely zero knowledge of what a Line Officer is and what a Staff Corps officer is, and what that means for commands.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

He is a Doctor. I would think a Doctor would be a good choice as an administrator of a large hospital, in the past i dont believe any of the VA administrators have ever been s Doctor, just run of the mill Bureaucrats who have never performed very well.

Doctor Jackson is a Rear Admiral in the US Navy and is trained as are all military officers to lead large commands. He could just as easily be assigned Command of a large Naval hospital somewhere. His training qualified him for the position.

Its a shame that some individuals have become so polarized that they are willing to destroy a man who performed the job he was assigned and gave a report that they disagreed with and with petty revenge are now going off the rails. And where is Mr. Obama ? He should be defending the man he wanted promoted.

These stories are rumors with no basis in fact, heresay from people that wont go public, like internet trolls only media trolls, hiding behind anonymity. Cowards they are. The whole fricking country has lost our minds



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

We can say that about a lot of people. What they portray in public and how they act behind the scenes isn't what it always seems to be. Jackson's not a serial killer, but look how well John Wayne Gacey and Ted Bundy were considered upstanding citizens. You may think you know somebody, but there's always skeletons lurking in the closet.

If Trump made sure they vetted his picks as strict as he wants immigrants to be vetted, I'm sure he wouldn't have to continue draining his own swamp.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Except for the accounts that claimed he was a pill pushing drunk.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 03:03 PM
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So, he got drunk and wrecked a car. Half my friends have done that. One of the gang.

He does seem like a half way decent person when he is sober.

It's better that he quits, the liberals will have spies spying on him and reporting every time he has a drink. The liberals will be laughing at him and calling him names as they suck down all their drinks at their celebrations..
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posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: DJMSN

First, the VA is not a "large hospital." It's a government agency with a budget of $200 billion and a workforce of 400,000.

Second, even if it was a "large hospital" most doctors are not trained in hospital administration.

Finally, being trained to command is a bit divergent from doing it and doing it well. When it comes down to it Jackson has minimal command experience at best.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
i applaud this.

the VA is in shambles, and Trump wanted to appoint a drunken monkey to head it.


Were the Drunken Monkeys who were running the VA before Doing a better job in shambling?

From almost all accounts the VA has been the bastard Stepchild of Multiple Admins. It's like the Education Dept, they all promise to fix the broken system and end up making it even worse. Why is it so hard to fix the VA? To me it must be the Bureaucracy around the VA.

Maybe we should put Jeff Bezos in charge of the VA with his new Healthcare venture?



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DBCowboy

That doesn't automatically mean that someone with no experience will do better though.

If you go to three different doctors to get a diagnosis but are misdiagnosed each time, on your fourth attempt do you go see a car mechanic?


It means that he probably wouldn't do much worse.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 03:26 PM
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He is a Doctor. I would think a Doctor would be a good choice as an administrator of a large hospital, in the past i dont believe any of the VA administrators have ever been s Doctor, just run of the mill Bureaucrats who have never performed very well.


Except Jim Peake, who was an Army 3-star and the Surgeon General before he took over the VA. And everybody between him and Shulkin was a military officer. And Shinseki, who was a 4-star and lead multiple large commands (but wasn't a doctor). Shulkin, being the guy who was an MD and ran a couple of pretty large health care systems.


Doctor Jackson is a Rear Admiral in the US Navy and is trained as are all military officers to lead large commands. He could just as easily be assigned Command of a large Naval hospital somewhere. His training qualified him for the position.


You don't get trained to lead large commands without leading smaller ones first. That's why Generals lead divisions and Admirals lead fleets, rather than throwing lieutenants out there and saying "well he's trained to lead a large command."

Maybe Jackson could've done a great job. It sounds like he's a good doctor, and he's willing to go in harm's way to save lives. But there is absolutely zero frame of reference to say "well he did pretty good with this other thing where he lead tens of thousands of people effectively so he can probably do this job effectively." To state that "he's trained to lead large commands" is categorically false. The two doctors that run Walter Reed have CVs that demonstrate a progressive, measurable increase in command responsibility over their careers, and that's why they're running Walter Reed. Jackson's CV, while impressive, doesn't show that progression.

ETA - and no, I don't believe he was passing out narcotics "like candy" to people and only now is somebody willing to talk about it. The DUI thing? Enh, it's possible. I've seen firsthand senior government get away with things like that, so it's possible. Point being, my opinion isn't based off the rumors that have suddenly surfaced. It's based off his career, and the fact that there's nothing in his career path that indicates ability to command at any level higher than a platoon level. Again, I believe completely that he's a great doctor, and I believe he is, and respect that he is, willing to ply his trade in a combat situation. But being a great doctor doesn't make one a great administrator nor a great leader.
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posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 03:42 PM
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Isn't this the guy who proclaimed a fat, bloated, incoherent mess of a man, to be in excellent health and to have great cognitive health?

The man who gave a turd , one of best (and most obviously fake) reports in regards to a persons health, in order to suck up to him for job?

That man?
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posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: donnydeevil
Isn't this the guy who proclaimed a fat, bloated, incoherent mess of a man, to be in excellent health and to have great cognitive health?

The man who gave a turd , one of best (and most obviously fake) reports in regards to a persons health, in order to suck up to him for job?

That man?
The Same man who did the same for Obama, yes.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: donnydeevil
Isn't this the guy who proclaimed a fat, bloated, incoherent mess of a man, to be in excellent health and to have great cognitive health?

The man who gave a turd , one of best (and most obviously fake) reports in regards to a persons health, in order to suck up to him for job?

That man?
The Same man who did the same for Obama, yes.


But Obama was in great health and was extremely coherent (which was obvious) and then to turn around and do the same for Trump, killed his credibility.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: donnydeevil

Yeah......that's it. Good enough for the annointed one. Got it.
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posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: donnydeevil

Yeah......that's it. Good enough for the annointed one. Got it.


You seem to be leaving out the fact that one was obviously true and was not.

Obama was obviously in good health as were his cognitive skills and abilities. Trump is a fat, bloated man who has shown time and time again that he is incoherent. Unless of course Trump has a prepared speech but people know when he is reading from something prepared by another person because he comes off as slightly more coherent.



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