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originally posted by: kyleplatinum
a reply to: Raggedyman
Gnosticism wasn't tolerable in the early church and it shouldn’t be tolerable now.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Raggedyman
I wonder why jesus didn’t teach science?
I would say the modern church is agnostic.
Luke 1:68-79
“Blessed be the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited us and accomplished redemption for His people,
And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of David His servant—
As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from of old—
Salvation FROM OUR ENEMIES,
And FROM THE HAND OF ALL WHO HATE US;
To show mercy toward our fathers,
And to remember His holy covenant,
The oath which He swore to Abraham our father,
To grant us that we, being rescued from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
In holiness and righteousness before Him all our days.
“And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High;
For you will go on BEFORE THE LORD TO PREPARE HIS WAYS;
To give to His people the knowledge of salvation (gnosin sowteirias)
By the forgiveness of their sins,
Because of the tender mercy of our God,
With which the Sunrise from on high will visit us,
TO SHINE UPON THOSE WHO SIT IN DARKNESS AND THE SHADOW OF DEATH,
To guide our feet into the way of peace.”
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
Bible studies, preaching, theology...if whatever version of the bible is perfect
I am of the opinion the church is all about knowledge than what Jesus taught
We are supposed to be about loving people, not the endless cycle of what we are doing
Yes, I know I am not the person that should be believed about this
Though, isn't this the gospel message
originally posted by: ColeYounger
I would say the modern church is a joke. It's been co-opted by facebook and other social media nonsense.
...the goal is to infiltrate it with their compromising philosophies and attempt to destroy the Church from within."
originally posted by: ColeYounger
originally posted by: kyleplatinum
a reply to: Raggedyman
Gnosticism wasn't tolerable in the early church and it shouldn’t be tolerable now.
Those who differ from your opinion include Copernicus, Einstein, Jung, Galileo, Pascal, and Newton.
In more modern times, Jordan Peterson, Terrance McKenna and Michael Heiser.
Nothing in the Bible is complicated. God would be stupid to write a book that people couldn't understand. That'd be the stupidest thing that He ever did. ~ Norvel Hayes Dead link(@ 3 min) "Norval Hayes - Don't Give The Devil A Choice (1984) "
If you don't believe the Bible....fine...don't believe it. But don't suggest that one part should be taken allegory when another part of the Bible CLEARLY indicates that it isn't. I'm guessing you don't do that with other forms of literature, do you?
If you have a history book on George Washington, do you decide to read chapter 3 as an allegory, but the rest of it as fact simply because you don't want to believe the events of chapter 3 took place? If chapter 14 is believed to be historical---and it refers to the events of chapter 3 as historical....why would you believe chapter 3 to be allegory?
Is The Bible Literal Or Allegorical?
The Bible, history's most published, studied, translated and quoted book, is also its most misused and misinterpreted book. Cults and false religions use it to their own ends and others simply misinterpret it. That this occurs so often leads many to assume the Bible has no clear meaning. This is a false assumption.
As mentioned in the introduction, allegorizing Scripture has a long and destructive history. The reason many have been sold on the allegorical method is the false assumption that since the Bible is a spiritual book, inspired by the Holy Spirit, that it therefore contains hidden or secret meanings.
Many contemporary preachers are quite adept at allegorizing passages of Scripture. According to them, Jesus can be found teaching modern success theories, positive thinking, liberation theology (Marxism), Unitarianism, the New Age, or anything else. Remember that the key reason for the allegorical method's existence was to integrate the Bible with Greek philosophy or whatever other contemporary worldly ideas that seemed popular and desirable. The resurrection can be allegorized into the new hope that springs into being with the cycles of nature: bunnies, and green grass. Or it can be allegorized as something analogous to ugly larvae changing through metamorphosis into butterflies.
cicministry.org...
Historically when people do not like what a document says or they want to make it fit their philosophical bent they allegorize that document. This is what Philo did with the Jewish Bible in Alexandria, Egypt and, early on, some Christians picked up this habit from him and imported it into the church.
digitalcommons.liberty.edu...
When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word, at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.
The Golden Rule of Interpretation
Those holding to an allegorical interpretation of the Bible point to a variety of scriptures and use them as proof-texts for the claim that God intended for His Word to be interpreted allegorically, and as we shall see, many of these verses have been taken out of context or redefined so as to give the appearance of supporting the false allegorical mode of interpretation. www.scribd.com...
originally posted by: BO XIAN
In many dozens, hundreds of cases, THE LITERALISTS WERE ALWAYS PROVEN CORRECT as archeology uncovered more and more confirmation that the Bible was literally true in detail after detail. Some things are literal AND symbolic, both/and. I don't think a great number of things in the Bible are primarily or only symbolic.