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Sen. Sanders to announce proposal promising jobs to all Americans

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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

To be fair on that, infrastructure maintenance is a continuous project. Its certainly not a "one and done," until and unless we come up with the materials technology to make it so.

 


Personally, I think the idea of "jobs for everyone" is actually a good one. However, the execution and planning is absolutely critical. Not just vague appeasements either, because making something like that work is only likely to succeed with some pretty novel and innovative ideas.

Automation will make all this a helluva lot more relevant and imperative in the relatively near future, so I think it might be prudent to explore avenues.

The problem with.. well really the left as a whole.. is that embracing ideas has become more important than how those ideas are actually executed.

The ends absolutely do not justify the means across the board. There are ways to actually achieve these things that nearly everyone can get behind. But, as long as the left proposes ideas above reality, it makes the road ever more riddled with the potholes of half-realized ideals.




posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: Serdgiam

I think job opportunities are a good thing and something to be entirely avoided if ran by government.

Any government.


Unless you can guarantee that the US government isn't corrupt or would spend money foolishly or change after 2/4/6/8 years.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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Sanders wants his plan to have 12 Districts!

OK, we just went straight up parody.


According to The Post, Sanders' plan would create 12 districts within the US that would approve jobs plans from municipalities, states, and American Indian tribal governments and then pass those plans along to the Labor Department for final approval.


Will we also have a Hunger Games too?



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: ForteanOrg

Work is not stupid as all labor holds value not necessarily related to income like self worth and the knowledge of useful skills. Just because a robot performs the work does not automatically mean the goods produced are cheap, as it takes energy to operate automation, the purchase and programming, maintenance and repairs, real estate, etc, as i am sure you get the idea.

I believe many generations from now we will arrive at a point where goods and services are "free" for the taking however i learned a long time ago that nothing is ever free. If a major event occurs and automation in some manner is destroyed whether it from lack of energy or lack of knowledge to operate it, it would be devastating to the generation that depended on it and the cost to the many generations it would take to relearn the skills to do the jobs ourselves or to restore the automation, the cost in lives alone would not make our free lives worth it.

Right away it becomes a right and left issue, i dont see it that way at all as both sides love taxes and they really love spending taxes, mostly on advancing their own self centered agendas. There was a time when we didnt need government other than peace and security, instead we depended on our neighbors for help, we turned to our churches for food if needed. We no longer can count on our government for peace, security, food, nor help anymore. We have shuned a basic belief of community that churches provided because of pity arguments over Gods, and Jesus and if they exist. One thing for certain that does exist are friends and neighbors whom sometimes need help and the community or Church can and should provide that without the need for a mans soul.

As for a wall, it is simply another campaign issue, and for peace and security i can see a need in this day and age when terrorists and drugs can cross as easily as another mouth to feed and more hands to keep from being idle. I always thought the wall as more electronic than physical in keeping with the automation theme. I think that parahraph was just Trump Derangement Syndrome since both parties have always advocated for secure borders, at least Trump is forcing the hands of our Congressman instead of just some nonbinding EO that eventually expires and never solves an issue which seems to scare the left more than the right.

And migration will play a role in the future just as in our past. Those who now seek a better place here will find or their children will find as will ours that sometimes you must seek out the work especially if an area has come close to completing the automation.

As for your dissatisfaction with the political situation in Syria, that is one which seems to defy right or left as it has not changed in the 50 years i have been around and thats long enough to have witnessed both sides in charge and nothing different from either side as it provides a source of income to those lining the pockets of both right and left.

I have not claimed to have an answer, however as i stayed earlier...NOTHING IS EVER FREE...it all comes at a price, perhaps not in our lifetimes but for those who follow. And i know any plan that comes with a price must start with a plan to pay that price and Bernie does not have one



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Sanders wants his plan to have 12 Districts!

OK, we just went straight up parody.


According to The Post, Sanders' plan would create 12 districts within the US that would approve jobs plans from municipalities, states, and American Indian tribal governments and then pass those plans along to the Labor Department for final approval.


Will we also have a Hunger Games too?


You know, when you parse through this and think about it.....its really kinda scary to realize that there are Dems out there that actually think like this. I mean, if I am reading this correctly, they intend to create Federal Govt jobs to service needs of local municipalities, Indian tribes, county governments who need people to work projects? So the Feds recruit people and pay them to work say at your local sewrage treatment plant or to maintain the county courthouse grounds........How does that even work? What about the County employees? So, are the Federal workers going to be trained to rat out other workers who use inappropriate language?

The implications are horrible. And if this goes into place under a Democrat administration? Think the newly minted Federal employees will ever vote for anyone else than a Democrat? This is just one more step toward the ChiCom model........only Party members have jobs!



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

I know.

It's scary. I thought we already had people working those jobs too. My dad worked on the county road crew for several years post-retirement since the work was easy enough and he was fit.

It's like Sanders is simply ignoring all those employees and saying those localities need to get their projects approved to be done at a Federal level and with Fed labor.

Local control can kiss itself good-bye.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Sanders wants his plan to have 12 Districts!

OK, we just went straight up parody.


According to The Post, Sanders' plan would create 12 districts within the US that would approve jobs plans from municipalities, states, and American Indian tribal governments and then pass those plans along to the Labor Department for final approval.


Will we also have a Hunger Games too?


Sensible people will immediately sign up for Disctrict 13.

Hail Bernie.


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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 04:23 PM
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Okay let’s look at it relatively. Let’s say you have all these government jobs making $15. That means if you are currently working over $15, then you will be richer than those working these given jobs. If you are making less, then you will be poorer than the government $15ers.

Now if you are an employer running a restaurant, you will lose your cooks, cashiers, dishwashers and waitresses to the government job unless you can take the hit to wage match it. You have to remain competitive in your menu prices in order to retain customers and if at any time you feel that you are not significantly making above $15 to make it worth your effort, then you will shut your doors and take one of those government $15 jobs.

Now it is possible that the government has decided that restaurant needs to go into a particular location. And it might be possible that they pay you $15 to manage their restaurant in exactly the same location as the one you shut down. But to maintain efficiency, there really only needs to be one government style restaurant. Eventually there will be only one restaurant to be found. Let’s say Taco Bell.

Now let’s say you used to work for a toilet paper company, but it shut down over the $15 thing. But you are now paid to gather up seashells on the beach. Because that was the job Bernie had for you.

And since people won’t give up their guns, we will just cryogenically freeze them until they are ready to be part of the new society.

This movie sounding familiar yet?



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Simon says die!


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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
Okay let’s look at it relatively. Let’s say you have all these government jobs making $15. That means if you are currently working over $15, then you will be richer than those working these given jobs. If you are making less, then you will be poorer than the government $15ers.

Now if you are an employer running a restaurant, you will lose your cooks, cashiers, dishwashers and waitresses to the government job unless you can take the hit to wage match it. You have to remain competitive in your menu prices in order to retain customers and if at any time you feel that you are not significantly making above $15 to make it worth your effort, then you will shut your doors and take one of those government $15 jobs.

Now it is possible that the government has decided that restaurant needs to go into a particular location. And it might be possible that they pay you $15 to manage their restaurant in exactly the same location as the one you shut down. But to maintain efficiency, there really only needs to be one government style restaurant. Eventually there will be only one restaurant to be found. Let’s say Taco Bell.

Now let’s say you used to work for a toilet paper company, but it shut down over the $15 thing. But you are now paid to gather up seashells on the beach. Because that was the job Bernie had for you.

And since people won’t give up their guns, we will just cryogenically freeze them until they are ready to be part of the new society.

This movie sounding familiar yet?



It's perfect for Bernie - an elite class and the poor who live a life of limited choice and mediocrity with no hope of advancement. Just what every good commie leader wants.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah


So details, are they available yet? Yes or no?

No, they're not. They never will be because this isn't a plan. It's a campaign promise.

Details are important... so important that a plan without any details deserves to be picked apart until details emerge. Bernie just promised us a plan which sounds unworkable, so it's up to him to provide details (or at least have a track record of doing amazing things no one thought he could do). So, until I see some details or some indication that he has an idea of what he's really talking about, I WILL continue to pick apart his 'plan.' If you don't like that, too bad.

I've seen this play out too often in my life. A politician makes a grand promise; the public eat it up and vote him into office; the plan either disappears into the ether or is implemented long enough for it to be a massive, epic failure. After all, this is not about what people want; it's about what Congressional Democrats want. They want elected, and if getting elected means lying through their teeth, it means lying through their teeth.

TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: interupt42

When government programs fail Bernie's answer is to do them twice as hard.
They are failed ideas not failures for lack of money.



absolutely I agree. Giving money to a corrupted gov't is the dumbest thing you can do. Having said that.




Look how much has been spent on the war on terror/poverty/drugs?
Trillions.
What could all that money have done in the hands of entrepeneurs?


In reality you don't even need fantasize about entrepeneurs. I prefer to fantasize about how better off the world and the economy would be if they didn't take that money from the working class in the first place to fund wasteful corporate slush funds such as you mentioned like the war on terror/poverty/drugs.


Having said that and while the democrats refuse to see that giving money to a corrupted gov't is a bad idea my hearburn with the Republicans is they are just as blind to the fact that Businessmen and entrepeneurs are the ones running the gov't.

Our congress does not create or draft the insane bureaucratic laws and inefficient processes involved in gov't. That is all designed and drafted by the Businessmen and entrepeneurs that run the largest corporations in America with the deepest lobbying dollars. Our gov't just robosigns the corporate drafted laws by the dream team of lobbyist.

The problem is that when gov't is inefficient and wasteful their is always a large corporation standing their to pick up the money that is being wasted. Who coincidently happened to have been involved in helping drafting those inefficient laws. Spend it or lose it budgeting is what corporations have wet dreams about.

The moral of the story is Both Republicans and Democrats are the root of the problem because neither one brings sole focus to the first and ONLY issue that needs to be addressed which is Conflict of interest in DC.

Until we get Conflict of interest to a point that is manageable gov't is going to continue to be wasteful,inneficient, and failing to meet anyones expectation (by design) regardless which party is in control.



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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 10:34 PM
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Sanders "Promises"

Trump guarantees and delivers on schedule

😎



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 10:43 PM
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Sanders "Promises"

Trump guarantees and delivers on schedule


LOL, I keep hearing that clock of yours ticking but I have yet to see a TOCK.

The only thing he delivered on schedule was to unprotect the consumer by repealing net neutrality and a measly uneventful tax break.

Obamacare is still going despite being rightfully labeled as the Antichrist of regulations . He also promised term limits and I haven't even heard a tick about that one.

Don't get me wrong I'm glad it wasn't Hillary that got elected but lets not Make Trump a messiah either.

IMO if this Q thing doesnt deliver by the next election cycle he might be toast assuming the left gets smart enough to drop their PC,Racism, sexism, and free everything platform. Granted that is no easy task as that is all they appear to have right now as a party.

In reality the best thing Trump has going for him is the DNC and the MSM keeping on course to nuclear retard levels.


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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 10:55 PM
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Any time someone in government says that they're taking too much of our money, they should be applauded.

That it happens so rarely, should be a cautionary sign to everyone.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 11:01 PM
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Socialism is great...until you run out of OTHER PEOPLE'S Money!!!



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: interupt42

Any time someone in government says that they're taking too much of our money, they should be applauded.

That it happens so rarely, should be a cautionary sign to everyone.



The issue is the RIGHT has been saying that for decades and have done nothing about it. In fact they have done the opposite and like the democrats have only increased the size of the gov't.

I know things are and have been bad with gov't, but we got to atleast raise the bar to something more than just applauding for when they tell us what we want to hear. Show me the money and actions.

Like I said I'm happy Hillary didn't get rewarded for her worthless political career , but the RIGHT and TRUMP has a lot to do to get their parties credibility back . That tax break was not it.

Note I'm in no way defending Sanders as I said in my other posts. But the right is also living in a glass house.
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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 11:34 PM
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How many will he put on the borders?

Sounds like a plan.







posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 12:10 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

Does this man honsostly believe that the federal government can just magically create all of these $15 an hour jobs? Where will the money come from?

Socialism, its a hell of a thing!



His great healthcare plan, and it is good...will cost 4 trillion. That should tell us all something..

It's all about the evil right, I say... I like to use an example as to just how much the evil rich can help us all. If the CEO of Boeing gave up his HUGE 14 to 20 million pay check, sicken isn't it!... gave it to all the workers, in the Sanders way, the average pay increase for all the workers at Boeing would be 10 cents OR LESS an hour raise.

Yep we are SAVED!!! People need to realize they need to help themselves, the Government and evil rich will provide one sorry life if that is what people put their dreams into.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 01:43 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Grambler

Does this man honsostly believe that the federal government can just magically create all of these $15 an hour jobs? Where will the money come from?

Socialism, its a hell of a thing!



His great healthcare plan, and it is good...will cost 4 trillion. That should tell us all something..

It's all about the evil right, I say... I like to use an example as to just how much the evil rich can help us all. If the CEO of Boeing gave up his HUGE 14 to 20 million pay check, sicken isn't it!... gave it to all the workers, in the Sanders way, the average pay increase for all the workers at Boeing would be 10 cents OR LESS an hour raise.

Yep we are SAVED!!! People need to realize they need to help themselves, the Government and evil rich will provide one sorry life if that is what people put their dreams into.




Do they know we have transporters now?

And replicators?

Wow!





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