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A Simple Outline to Show a Correct Way of Dispensationalism

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posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 04:04 PM
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Many try and divide the word of truth by dispensations as periods of time only or by covenants only, and as well as that can be, many of these dispensational divisions are not always in agreement, and so easily sliced. The easiest one so far that I have found is the following dispensations by their forms of Salvation that include periods of time and Covenants. All of these salvation dispensations have the grace of God involved.

I will not bore you with a wall of AKJV Bible text but trust that the serious Bible student will in fact read all the scriptures for himself to see if what I share are true to the word of God.

1) ADAM AND GOD (Gen 1-2). Salvation by works: all by sight, nothing by faith. Not one sign of John 3:16: Romans 10:9-10; Ephesians 2:8-9 in any direction, directly or indirectly.

2) ADAM, EVE, SATAN AND GOD (Gen 3). Salvation by grace, pointing to the shed blood of a lamb: A FOUR-FOOTED LAMB that eats grass. The writer (Moses) knows of a four-footed Passover lamb, but no one from Abel to Moses’ mother would have known anything about the Passover. Adam and Eve are clothed by God. You can read the whole New Testament into that and get a good sermon out of it but there is not one chance in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 that Adam could have associated anything going on in Genesis with any MAN dying on a cross.

3) GOD AND NOAH (Gen6-10). Salvation by grace when a man does, by faith, what God TELLS him to do; in this case WORKS, as in hard physical “labor” works. He is to build an ark.

4) GOD AND ABRAHAM (Gen 12, 15 & 22). Salvation by grace through faith with imputed righteousness given for believing something God had told him. God told him nothing about the Virgin Birth, the Deity of Christ, the Crucifixion, Remission of Sins, Repentance, or the New Birth; not ONE WORD.

5) GOD AND MOSES (Exod. 20- Duet 32). (Observe that the Passover takes place in Abraham’s dispensation!) Salvation by grace, through faith and works. Both must be in evidence, and there must be enough of both to get the man saved. Lack of either will finish him off (see Saul, Ahab, Jeroboam, Joab etc ).

6) GOD AND JESUS CHRIST (Matt 26-Rev 20). Salvation is by Grace through faith in the finished atonement of Jesus Christ dying on Calvary’s Cross. This is not fully known until after Acts Chapter 7, and is not in effect in full force until after the Christ’s Body, that is the Body of Christ has left this earth. This is because the New Testament deals not only with salvation of the individual sinner, but the salvation of the NATION from which the Saviour came, the nation he came to save. (Matt 1:21; John 1:31).

7) GOD AND THE NATION OF ISRAEL (Rev 4-19). Salvation by grace through faith and works, with the possibility of a man losing salvation by taking he mark of the Beast, and consequently, the Holy Spirit/Ghost leaving him, EXACTLY AS IT HAPPENED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.

8) GOD AND THE THRONE OF DAVID (Rev20; Isa2, 11, 65; Joel 2, 3; Zech 14 etc. ). Salvation is by WORKS (Matt 5-7; Ezek 40-48, etc), and the man who keeps the commandments (WORKS) can partake of “the Tree of Life” (Rev 22:14) that was denied to Adam when he was run out of the Garden ( Gen 3:22-23).

9) GOD AND ETERNITY (Isa 66; Rev21-22;John 17). Salvation is completed with sinless, eternal perfection (”the spirits of just men made perfect” Heb 12:23) as God had intended it to be. Adam’s commission is renewed (Gen 1:27-28), and outer space of a new heavens is populated infinitely, to the Glory of Jesus Christ.

The Bible Student (myself included) will see that these dispensations over lap and end not in neat little slices but indeed do show one how to rightly divide the word of Truth.



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posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Salvation is never by any combination of works. It is always by faith alone in Christ. The work is in sanctification from the world. Those are two separate principles brought together under one plan.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Those who deny the AKJV Bible are the first to run to the Greek and the Hebrew and other dead languages to change it.

I know you didn't read the verses and compare them so I will have to say you are following men. so sad to see such by men who claim to be free willed and minded.

Remember faith is the substance of things not seen and the evidence of things hoped for. No way Adam hoped for the cross while seeing God face to face.


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posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 06:16 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

The AKJV Bible exists. I don't deny that. Nor do I deny that a source text is always stronger than its subsequent translation, which is exactly what the AKJV is...a translation.

Adam was not in need of salvation until the moment he fell.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

But what we don't have is a full Koine Greek Text "original". What we do have is pieces of Koine Greek unverifiable copies but not a whole Greek original text of any kind. the same goes with any of the other so called "original languages" the Bible was inspired but all we have are not one original, they are all unverifiable copies.

Are you getting the picture?

What we do have is God's word that he would preserve his word to every Generation forever.

Ps 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
No seeing all men can do is corrupt his words to control people is that he would do it himself at a time in which the English language was perfected, through men devote and holy. On one particular day all three groups from Oxford, Westminster Abbey and Cambridge translators of the AKJV were to gather together to make one of their comparisons and discuss their findings with king James at the parliament building on Nov 5, 1604 Directly above where Guy Faux, a devout Roman Catholic was arrested for wanting to blow up the parliament. Had he been successful not only would he had ended the British Empire before it started but he would have destroyed the translators of the AKJV Bible.

The AKJV Bible was not just a translation it was God's inspired word in the English language. It is the only Bible whole and complete with every verse contested or not, compare if you will all the versions you can get you hands on and you will see. Isa 14:12 Lucifer is changed to morning star, 1John 5:7 is shortened to mean nothing but that there are three witness in heaven then it skips to verse 8, Study in 2Tim 2:15 is removed and changed to rightly handling or be diligent which means nothing but to handle a Book with what kid gloves, or maybe consider to be diligent not to allow it to touch the ground like the Moslem's do with their Koran.

You see God has and always will preserve his words to every generation forever. It is up to us to have faith that He has. The simple outline is easily proven by one willing to do due diligence and study and show one is approved of God rightly dividing the word of truth. Sometimes it is divided at a verse, or a sentence within a verse sometimes whole time periods are separated by a colon or a comma like when Jesus Read from the Book of Isaiah.

Do you possess enough faith in God to preserve his words himself in his way using holy men? Or are you of the mind that thinks man has the ability to do it for God?

I believe God has kept his word and done it all himself using holy men of God to pen it just as it was meant to be in the original. Therefore my outline is Biblical according to the AKJV Bible but may not be to the plethora of the other version put out by men for mere profit and confusion.

BTW, How did Adam fall again? He chose his wife over obedience to God, it is called willful sin.


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posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

You believe the AKJV is God inspired, but you can't prove it, and given that we have the same source material that the AKJV translators used, it makes arguing your point an up hill battle. But who am I to stand in the way of circular logic?

Regardless, anything that elevates works over grace nullifies grace. Salvation by works + grace is a Satanic doctrine, and if that's what the AKJV teaches, well then you already know all you need to know on the subject.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

grace, faith and works ares involved in every form of God's salvation.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 08:01 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

That's the exact opposite of what Ephesians 2:8-9 says, so maybe use 1John1:9 and revisit your thought.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Well you will notice the OP is about dispensations. So Eph 2:8-9 apply during the church age.

But I can tell you have never done a study on what I listed because you were quick just to label it satanic rather than study the AKJV as I listed out and see if those things were true. Be a good Berean and Study to show thyself approved unto God, Rightly dividing the word of Truth. Only the AKJV has that word Study and rightly divide the word of Truth in it.

John is the ministry of Christ to Israel alone, even Jesus said so BEFORE THE CROSS, You can't be looking for a cross when there is none yet.

What do you think would have happened to nNoah and his family if Noah had not obeyed God and built the ARK? Correct he would have drowned with his family along with everyone else. So salvation for Noah came with a certain amount of work, hard labor to be exact, on top of his faith in God's word he was going to flood the world.

Hebrew 11:1 says, Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Adam could not have faith in God because he saw him face to face, but he could choose to OBEY him, that is believe or have faith that God's words were true. But he chose his wife over the Lord and so he died. Along this same line not one in the Millennial Kingdom will have faith on Christ finished work because they will see Christ face to face. But he can still believe that Christ died for him on the cross and perform the WORK necessary for his salvation i.e. the sacrifice and worship via the Israeli Priesthood every year until and before one dies. Read Zach 14.

Faith, Grace and Works are always at work in every dispensation. today we do good works because we are saved not to stay saved as those during the law up unto the cross and not like those in the Millennial kingdom.

A more noble man would search the AKJV before speaking against a Sound Bible Doctrine. Unlike "those before were looking forward to the cross and those afterwards were look back to the cross." Try and show the bible verses that teach that abominable lie.

Please do some study of what I have shared in the OP, and post it and show why the AKJV Bible is incorrect in this outline of dispensational truths.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Ephesians 2:8-9 applies to all dispensations of fallen man. Before the cross was the lamb. The Mosaic Law was the mirror image of the cross. Noah's salvation was based on faith. The his spiritual maturity was based in his work.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest


I think I already showed you that Gods grace, love, our faith and works appear in all dispensations. However, they are not all the same and at the quickness of the replies you are giving tells me you have not studied but rather are relying on someone else work like Larkin's, Bullinger's or some other AKJV Bible non-believer.

One thing I have over most is that I believe every word in the AKJV Bible to be whole, complete, true, inspired and reliable.

If you think salvation for Noah was Eph 2:8,9 your elevator is not reaching all the floors.



posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

So God's grace appears in all dispensations, but in some dispensations, God's grace is insufficient for salvation? Is that what you're implying. I know of Larkin and Bullinger, but I don't study them. I'm replying based on my own knowledge of the Word. It just so happens that your analysis has some obvious holes in it.

Work has it place in spiritual growth, but not in salvation. Salvation is God's work.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 02:12 PM
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TextFaith, Grace and Works are always at work in every dispensation. today we do good works because we are saved not to stay saved as those during the law up unto the cross and not like those in the Millennial kingdom.

Very true. Grace is not of our strength but is a gift of the Father through Jesus. One must have faith that Jesus gave grace before works through faith can be accountable. The works through faith are what is accountable in salvation. Most people that I have talked to are confused with deeds of the body without faith and works of the body through faith.

Then what are the works through faith? Works through faith are the gifts of the Holy Spirit that were shown at Pentecost, not by our choice but by the needs of the Holy Spirit.
Good thoughts Chester -----------



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Do you believe in and inerrant, complete, whole, inspired, English Bible that has all of Godf'd words in it, that you can hold in your hand today?

If so which Bible is it?



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 10:31 PM
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I believe every syllable of the original Word of God is preserved in meter. We just need to sort through the manuscripts and copies that are available to us today. Translations are usefull, but by no means inerrant.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 10:33 PM
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Thanks Seede.

It is very important that we don't get bogged down by denominational views of which many a version of the Bible has been produced to promote their views, but rather let the AKJV Bible speak for it self. One tenant of our faith is faith that God'd word is true. That he had preserved it to every generation including ours Psalm 12:6-7.

I could never teach a Bible that I first do not believe is whole, true, inspired and in my language. So far after over 17 years I have kept to one Bible that I know for sure is whole, complete, inspired and inerrant and that is the AKJV Bible.

The Number one rule for me is that you have to believe the Bible or you really are not truthfully teaching it.



posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 10:37 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

can you pdf me a copy via the PM system so I can see this "original". You see I have searched High and low for a complete and whole original Bible in any language and have yet to find one. Every one of the pieces I have received facsimiles of are nothing but copies.

I hope you understand there are no originals available in any Library or University in the world, I have personally asked for one and or pieces, I have pout out my own money to get some and they all turn out to be copies. So please if you have a original "meter Bible" please I would be really interested in seeing it.
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posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 10:43 PM
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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
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I believe every syllable of the original Word of God is preserved in meter. We just need to sort through the manuscripts and copies that are available to us today. Translations are usefull, but by no means inerrant.


This speaks volumes that you don't believe there is a Bible today you can hold in your hand and say is the word of God. Copies and manuscripts pieces (also copies), they are not the preserved words of God. And that you believe in a mystical meter system to be more accurate that English words.

I have pieces of manuscripts copies of supposed original languages but the Dr's and professors do admit they are just copies and none are originals and none are complete and whole.

So which Bible do you see as being whole and original to call you "meter Bible"?


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posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 11:00 PM
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I can send you a link to a PDF copy of Matthew 24-25. I'll post the same link here for all to see. Print that out, and you will hold in your hands what I believe to be the exact original words, verbatim, of Matthew 24-25 in Koine Greek meter. It's a composite, formed mainly from the GNT 1904, and some variants found in Codex Bezae. Another believer and I have been working on this project intermittently since 2015, as well as Isaiah 52-53, Psalm 90, and a few of the other Psalms. Sorry, I don't have the entire Bible, but sorting through ancient meter is tedious work.

I only ask that you use 1John 1:9 as you view the document, and judge it objectively. Don't let your allegiance to the AKJV become a stumbling block.

Edit. Please standby, I'm having trouble with the link.
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posted on Apr, 27 2018 @ 11:06 PM
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So you don't have a hole and complete original Bible in any language?

Meter me your understanding of Malachi 4:4 or 2 Tim 2:15 use the AKJV it is an accurate preservation of the true words of God.

My allegiance is to Jesus Christ, the head of the church, the body of Christ of which I am a part of.




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