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Obama Justice Dept.’s attempts to influence investigations exposed in McCabe probe

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posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 01:38 PM
a reply to: zosimov

Well a full recovery like that is best lol, but I'd settle for some Dems who see the problems and hypocrisy in these questions of justice equally applied and NOT for political weaponization.

We all lose when we let these flagrant injustices stand.

posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 01:43 PM
a reply to: The GUT

Exactly. It's not that I'd never vote Democrat again, but my values cross the party lines and I go on a case by case basis, personally. I'd love to see more third party action or just more back to the basics -- but radically different from the vision of the few, greedy and self serving infiltrators that seems to be emerging.

I do want to see justice- any person who has profitted off misery or flouted law to their own advantage should be held accountable.

posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 02:04 PM
a reply to: Boadicea

The system was in place before Obama. And the if Obama abused it, which is looking increasingly likely, consider that the system, which is supposed to be nonpartisan in order to maintain the trust of the public, allowed Obama to abuse it.

posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 03:35 PM

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ketsuko

If they can abuse the legal and justice systems with a sitting president, imagine what they could do the any of us who are nothing to them or nothing on the worlds stage.

Which is exactly how the Clinton Body Count continues to rack up victims.

But I know some don't [want to] see it that way..

...Insert "person wearing blinders" picture.

posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 04:23 PM
a reply to: KansasGirl

Yea he was so disturbed he decided he couldn't hand the information of the case over for a determination, and to insure the integrity of the investigation he decided to make the determination months prior to it completion.
edit on 4/24/2018 by TheLead because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 04:26 PM
a reply to: theantediluvian

And although I heavily disagree with your interpretation of this story, at least you responded to it.

It seems all of the other left leaning members of ATS have no opinion on Obamas DOJ attempting to obstruct justice.

But trust them, they are super concerned about obstruction when Trump does it, its not just political partisanship!!!

posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 07:29 PM

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Grambler

Look like you were right, concerning Ante's post.

its perfectly normal for the DOJ to do this (even though as fbi people in the article says it is not)

The PADAG was right to call McCabe just as he would have been if the FBI was behaving the same way in regard to the ongoing Trump-related investigations.

Yep clear as day.

To me the issue boils down to a simple question:

If a special counsel and all of the trimmings that came with it was justified by trumps supposed attempts to influence the russian investigations, why isnt one justified when Obamas doj tried to influence investigations into hillary?

For some people, it seems like its ok, in fact a good thing that Obamas doj took this unprecedented step (according to fbi people in the article in the OP), but if trump or his team does anything similar, then it is a massive problem that warrants a special counsel looking back decades to find a crime on trump.

Well, at this point it seems the narrative is that we should only focus on the here and now. Obama and Hillary are yesterdays news, and can't do anything now to effect the country the way Trump can. It almost seems as if the unspoken reason, beyond him being a "good" president, and Hillary being.......something.. Is that we need to keep the first black president and almost first female president legitimate to preserve the progressive legacy, and say look world, we are joining you! Certainly looks to be the case when you look at how the MSM treated them.

Just my opinion of course.

posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 04:36 PM

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: kurthall

What is the name of the special prosecutor that is investigating the Clinton Foundation (s)?

There is no need for a "special prosecutor" to investigate the Clinton Foundation.

Do you people even know what you're talking about? It sure doesn't sound like it. If you want to talk about "weaponizing things" talk about setting loose "special prosecutors" on political rivals.

"Special prosecutors" are used when there is serious concern a crime has been committed by someone high up in the Executive branch, that is because the theory is that the Executive branch cannot investigate "itself" and if someone high enough up is suspected, it is removed outside direct control.

Because you people are absolutely convinced that the Clintons murder people and fix Uranium deals, have your own DOJ do the investigation - that's their job, led by your own Jeff Sesssions, picked by your own president. Have them measure it against what other admins do, and whether it is worthy of charges.

In the meantime, if any of you people who believe it is really Obama and Clinton that are the problem and not the corrupt casino-bankrupter with many deals with Russian criminals president, you are going to have to decide if McGabe is the anti-Christ - as I read here not long ago, a hero, or a guy in a tough as hell job making tough calls all the time, many of which, in retrospect and a given agenda can be colored any number of ways.

Anyone who has read anything about the FBI in 2016 knows that the SDNY office had been under the thumb of Guiliani for quite some time, and it was rabidly anti-Hillary, and Comey led the DC office, and he was rabidly neutral. Have any doubts? Ask yourself how it was that Guiliani knew that an explosive "October Surprise" was coming 3-4 days prior to the Comey letter coming out, and how it was that the NYC had Weiner's laptop over 3 weeks, held it, and only in the last weeks of October did it inform Comey and then move for a warrant. Comey, because he is so anti-Trump, then defied FBI/DOJ doctrine about releasing matters involving criminal investigations within 60 days of an election, and delivered the election to Trump with the letter that amounted to exactly nothing, as all the evidence ever amassed against the Clintons does, ever since Star found nothing in Whitewater.

Someone needs to explain to me how the "intelligence community" can be unilaterally against Trump, given how all that happened, and given the fact that the entire Trump investigation went on, with Obama knowing about it, and Obama saying nothing at all to the media.

The other thing I'd ask any of you who are so sure that Obama and Hillary are the real international criminals to tell me what do you do if you're Obama? You have intel reports to you that the Russians plan to muck-up our election, it is serious, they are taking big steps (ones we don't even know about yet), and - to make it worse, the Republican is Trump, who has long been known to have shady (at BEST) ties to Russian oligarchs. If you're Obama, what do you do? Well, of course, if YOU guys are Obama, you slit your own throats.

But, if regular people were Obama, they'd do what Obama did, which was tell them to do the investigation by the book, and he'd handle the political end. Obama went to Putin and said "knock it off, or else" and he went to McConnell and gave him the heads up. Obama proposed a joint statement, the two of them, warning the people of fake news/Russian interference, McConnell being McConnell felt it best that the American people not know the truth. McConnell said that should Obama announce anything, he'd decry it as a political ploy, even though he knew it wasn't bc Obama came to him FIRST. Obama then did nothing, because he did NOT want to interfere with an election.


If you think the Clinton Foundation needs criminal investigation (on what basis? Pay to play? Ha, have fun, and then follow it with an investigation into the Trump hotel in DC and Mara Lago), get your DOJ on it. Beyond that, none of it changes the fact that Trump keeps acting so damn guilty. Maybe he isn't. Only Mueller's team can really know. But, it is hard to imagine a guy acting MORE guilty than Trump.

Meanwhile, figure out if McCabe is bad or not, you really do need one straight story.

posted on Apr, 26 2018 @ 02:41 AM

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