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posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 07:51 AM
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I will be seeing Dr. Diabetes later today. No matter what I mention I think is wrong with me, or might actually be wrong with me, ALL I hear is "we gotta get your numbers down first!" *grumble*

Ok, you money grubbing hacks. Fine.

Anyways- I have been doing CBD oil. It has done *exactly* what it says on the tin in my case: It's yanked my anxiety down WAY far, It does what it can to keep pain at bay (unless I really really over do it, then, well...), it's LOWERED MY DAMN BLOODSUGAR. *Without* insulin, which has done somewhere between jack and schlitt. I don't get high. If anything, I am far more active- because I'm feeling better, lower blood sugar, less pain, more energy.

It seems to also have replaced that really dodgy anti seizure med they handed me. All it did was make me sleep, nearly continuously. Cats loved it. I'd always come to with both of them snuggled up, snoring like mad. I had to get off it. It's also what gave me the inertia to look into alternate ways of dealing with my various problems. Kid was home for Spring Break. I had spent HALF of it passed out, and even lost a day! *THAT* is unacceptable.

I am not going to say I have been taking the oil to the doc. I am going to casually mention it as a "Gee- I found out about this online, and they sell it here. Should I try it?" And record the reaction. I expect either total ignorance or "OMG! Devil's juice!" to an extent. When I was taking Kratom, which had limited success in helping the same problems and mentioned it to the doctors, I was met with... for lack of a better term... a reaction akin to saying I had a flying saucer parked in my front yard, I needed a cup of antimatter and a quarter inch Pinkney flange to fix it, and where could I buy these items.

I have also found out the stuff I like to occasionally stuff myself with, like kimchi, ginger, hot sauce, etc- all have beneficial qualities, like being anti inflammatory. The docs? They keep asking if I smoke or drink, and I keep hearing about the joys of salad and not eating crap- which I don't. My view of their medical diplomas gets thinner with every visit.

Now, the advice part: I know there is a strict 'no drugs' rule here, and considering that this is less drugs and well more what I would truly consider 'alternate medicine', Is this sort of thread allowed? I will say I have no desire to be high. I had pain pills that did that to me after wisdom tooth removal- along with dry socket. I'd rather DIE than repeat that experience. I spent 3 days wandering an apartment laid out in a straight line where I had trouble finding the bathroom, and spent god only knows how long laying in the bedroom, hallucinating that I lived in a closet, and if I stuck a limb out, it'd dissolve. Plus, my head felt like it was in a vice, with someone wailing away on it with a hammer. I honestly am unsure how I managed eating, drinking (not alcohol, water or soda), or going to the bathroom.

Not. Ever. Again. This stuff works wonders, and that is not even close to hyperbole. I also know that one's mileage will vary, so don't consider me an expert by any means.

So... in a couple hours, I will experience some more 'medical professionalism'. With ATS' permission, I will relate my little misadventure...


edit on 24-4-2018 by wylekat because: Copy editing mishap #1...




posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 08:05 AM
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a reply to: wylekat

I don't think it's banned because you aren't referring to recreational usage, and the oil itself has no (THC).. that makes one "high".

But tell the docs... It really can throw all your #'s off. Say something. Good luck..

EMT



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: mysterioustranger

It really can throw all your #'s off.

It's lowered my blood sugar. I've watched the #s go down, from 2-300s to 120s to 150-60. This is with Metformin and Glipizide, and I have been making double sure the oil won't react badly to the stuff I am taking. Small doses, then work my way up.

I seem to not be alone in the way people are getting treated by the medical hordes. Wife's father is being treated REALLY poorly, and had what I can only consider an attempt on his life by an idiot doc who tried mixing 2 antibiotics that cause massive heart problems (pharmacist caught that), an abscess that made mine look like a pimple- that he had had for *years*, building up in his stomach area, constantly canceled surgeries for any and all reasons, and lately- this push to get everyone "new, cheaper meters and strips". While I just thought it was odd they suddenly jumped on that topic last visit, seems my wife's aunt got the same treatment at almost *exactly* the same time. Diff city, diff doctors.

My spidey sense went to tingle factor 9 after hearing about that. She now has a really hard time working the meter, strips are hard to come by, and I just *cannot* shake the feeling those meters are adjusted to reflect a new, higher bloodsugar number. If I thought I could, I'd go for the 'new' meter, keep using both meters, and seeing if there is a discrepancy. Problem with that is they'd use the new, higher numbers as justification to medicate the hell out of me, most likely.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: wylekat

I'm so glad you found CBD oil and are finding relief... CBD oil is pretty amazing stuff.

I'm hoping and praying for the best when you speak to your doctor. You might want to share some clinical medical studies which have studied the effects and efficacy of CBDs on diabetes; you can find links to several studies here:

Studies on CBD and Diabetes

For a layman's approach, there's some good information here:

CBD Oil for Diabetes: All You Need to Know

In short, the medical potential and therapeutic benefits of CBD oil for diabetes is nothing short of phenomenal; many thousands of diabetics use it every day to treat the disease and improve their overall quality of life, and many thousands more will continue to do so in the future in light of increased research and improved information.

Good luck and brightest blessings!



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 08:40 AM
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If your blood sugar is not high, the doctor is not supposed to put you on insulin or on a sugar med.

When you go in tell the doctor you are attempting to naturally change your diet to lower the sugar. He cannot force you to take those meds if you are adjusting your diet. But if you do need them then I would say you need them.

I control my seizures with foods and I can use some supplements. I tried the CBD oil capsules and they work good, kind of pricey though at two bucks a pill. I can control my epilepsy with diet for about a quarter of that. I eat soup with cabbage in to control my epilepsy, plus I tend to eat potatoes more for the benzo effect. Potatoes are also high in potassium which is essential for proper insulin production. I have hypoglycemia, so potassium can be problematic since I make too much. Somehow a doctor marked I was intolerant to sulfonureas on my records, I suppose it was one of the meds I was put on that backfired when I was on the epilepsy drugs that almost killed me.

I had more seizures with the epilepsy drugs than without them when I was on them. I had my genetics done and it shows that for different reasons I am very intolerant to all five classes. I am also intolerant to using one food chemistry to control epilepsy, I need to utilize a cycling of certain foods because if I use too much of one, the same effect of the meds happens. I cannot break some chemistries down well, a little is fine. Looking back at my life, I guess I knew this, my old diet actually showed a moderation of avoidance and consumption. That was back when I ate things that made me feel good, I started going down hill when I got convinced by others that eating a healthy diet was needed. I cannot eat a lot of raw veggies, they cause problems.

There are a lot of good doctors out there that will work with you on altering your diet as a natural way of controlling sugar problems. Tell them about the CBD oil, Mine is hemp oil and is legal to buy. It does calm and it does control epilepsy, strange insurance won't cover it. It is way cheaper than meds and has less side effects from what I read. Although, I have only taken two pills so far, I did not get a buzz, just a mellowing effect which did not effect my ability to think.

Magnesium supplements do work to control some parts of epilepsy, but not all. muscle spasms can happen for me, but I just have partial seizures, not grand mal. I gave up on magnesium for that.

Taurine works great for the epilepsy but does give me some problems with the hypoglycemia crash susceptability if I do not eat enough. I need to eat something about every three hours when taking that. It also seems to raise my stomach acid. I am not used to having adequate stomach acid.

I keep a variety of solutions around, after having all my teeth push up and crack off from the epilepsy drugs and my feet turn all black from two of them, I am skeptical about everything and monitor how everything effects me.

If your doctor does not want to work with you on naturally reducing your problems, find another specialist to see. If your sugar problems are real bad, then you may need insulin or some meds, some of the damage done by a bad or improper diet is permanent. Have your potassium level checked, if you have low potassium insulin production in your body goes down. I know people who take insulin, they need it and it does work good for them. Some people I know have changed their diet and are now insulin and sugar pill free, but I could never eat what they eat, it would kill me to eat that many veggies.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: wylekat

Its legal in a few states now, I think ATS will be okay with this thread, as it used as medicine. CBD oil is great for some people and even pets. There is a News caster here in LA who gives it to her small dog, for anxiety. It works. Also the seizure medicine may not be needed as the CBD oil should work even better than that.


This is why some people with sick children having severe medical issues move to states they can get pot and pot products. One child went from having 200 plus seizure daily to less than 10 per day, all because of CBD oil.....It really can help people, Big Pharma does not want to lose money. You can grow your own meds. I am going to buy 3 plants this weekend and see how they do.







posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 08:58 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: wylekat

I'm so glad you found CBD oil and are finding relief... CBD oil is pretty amazing stuff.

I'm hoping and praying for the best when you speak to your doctor. You might want to share some clinical medical studies which have studied the effects and efficacy of CBDs on diabetes; you can find links to several studies here:

Studies on CBD and Diabetes

For a layman's approach, there's some good information here:

CBD Oil for Diabetes: All You Need to Know

In short, the medical potential and therapeutic benefits of CBD oil for diabetes is nothing short of phenomenal; many thousands of diabetics use it every day to treat the disease and improve their overall quality of life, and many thousands more will continue to do so in the future in light of increased research and improved information.

Good luck and brightest blessings!


The main problem is the doc's ability to listen. AT ALL.

When I was tracking the why of my weird #s, I documented everything on my phone. Taking down the #s, adding notes, there was a graph, all the info I could get crammed in, I could.

They absolutely *refused to even look at it*. I instead got the usual litany, lecture, song and dance. And asked yet again if I smoked. (No)

I respect a professional, but only when they act like professionals, and will actually also listen to input. I am nowhere *near* being a professional, and it honestly concerns me I know more, and have done more work to nail down this mess- to be just completely shut down, ignored, and shown the depth of their ignorance. A prime example: I found out about researches looking into ways to use tears to check bloodsugar. Turns out this stuff is years old- like 3 or so years old. Not a single, solitary doctor I talked with, old or young even so much as heard of this. The diabetes experts, neither. Not so much as a glimmer of interest or curiosity.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: wylekat

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: wylekat

I'm so glad you found CBD oil and are finding relief... CBD oil is pretty amazing stuff.

I'm hoping and praying for the best when you speak to your doctor. You might want to share some clinical medical studies which have studied the effects and efficacy of CBDs on diabetes; you can find links to several studies here:

Studies on CBD and Diabetes

For a layman's approach, there's some good information here:

CBD Oil for Diabetes: All You Need to Know

In short, the medical potential and therapeutic benefits of CBD oil for diabetes is nothing short of phenomenal; many thousands of diabetics use it every day to treat the disease and improve their overall quality of life, and many thousands more will continue to do so in the future in light of increased research and improved information.

Good luck and brightest blessings!


The main problem is the doc's ability to listen. AT ALL.

When I was tracking the why of my weird #s, I documented everything on my phone. Taking down the #s, adding notes, there was a graph, all the info I could get crammed in, I could.

They absolutely *refused to even look at it*. I instead got the usual litany, lecture, song and dance. And asked yet again if I smoked. (No)

I respect a professional, but only when they act like professionals, and will actually also listen to input. I am nowhere *near* being a professional, and it honestly concerns me I know more, and have done more work to nail down this mess- to be just completely shut down, ignored, and shown the depth of their ignorance. A prime example: I found out about researches looking into ways to use tears to check bloodsugar. Turns out this stuff is years old- like 3 or so years old. Not a single, solitary doctor I talked with, old or young even so much as heard of this. The diabetes experts, neither. Not so much as a glimmer of interest or curiosity.


Sounds like you need to fire your doctor, and let them know why....Today ask them to STOP, and listen. If they can not do that, you need to at the end of your visit or once you get a new doctor, let the office know you will not be back, and want you medical records....Let the office know exactly WHY you are leaving. Going forward maybe they will listen. If you doctor wont listen, they can not know what you are doing to make your situation Better or Worse! Trust me get a DR you can talk to....






posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 09:04 AM
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CBD oil is great for some people and even pets. There is a News caster here in LA who gives it to her small dog, for anxiety. It works.


I gave it to my old black lab for arthritis... it was miraculous. Within a week, he was able to bounce and play and run with the younger pups again. Not with his same old vigor, but definitely great improvement. I'd say it bought him a couple more years. He really enjoyed his PB & CBD oil sandwiches too. That was pretty amazing too, because no matter how I tried to give him meds, that boy managed to isolate the pill and spit it out while eating whatever food I put it in!



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: wylekat

I understand -- been there and done that!

For what it's worth, it's not just your doctor... and it's more the nature of the beast as a whole than just doctors. The medical establishment itself discourages any deviance from government "approved" medicine. From diagnosing an ailment to treating an ailment. It seems that just as the population is being dumbed down to just doing what they're told, so too are medical providers. "Don't deviate from the script dognabbit!!!"

Keep trying. Some doctors will listen and learn. I have always had much better luck with DOs than MDs. If you decide to find another doctor, you might check out DOs and Naturopaths. They integrate conventional medicine with alternative medicine, and would be open to the benefits of CBD oil. Probably already are in fact.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 09:50 AM
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I've not heard of it for lowing blood sugar. But very cool.

When it comes to any sort of Diabetes . Diet is 100% what you need to control.

My best friend and father in law both have it and were injecting themselves. But after trying to steer them in the right direction. Both have changed their diet completely. And both are exercising more. Plus I've recommended some supplements like cinnamon, turmeric and coconut oil.

Both of them are now off the insulin and have blood sugar levels that are normal. I'll have to suggest to them cbd oil as well. NIH has some research on the subject. So it's not bunk.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 10:36 AM
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I am just speculating here.......the effects of CBDs is well documented....the impacts you experienced fall into the spectrum of expectations.Dosage is adjustable.

Intake of MJ by consumption instead of combustion produce anti-parasitic impacts...very good strong versatile ones.....which is EXTREMELY GOOD FOR YOU....however when you kill parasites in a heavily infected body you need support to help your body clean out the bad leftovers and this is important.

One must consider the impacts of a wickedly good anti-parasitic being ingested when this is taken....and this means learning about a whole new set of requirements.....in terms of supporting your body in detoxing the dead parasites and bacterias and viruses they carry.

THe 1st time you ingest this you will with a 100% certainty kill parasites in your body....this means that anyone ingesting this MUST have a parallel support process in place BEFOREHAND.....the EXPECTATION of en.wikipedia.org...–Herxheimer_reaction must be realistic and planned for.

The impacts of highly concentrated CBDs are relaxing leading to sedative like...the higher the concentration and dosage the more relaxing and sedative the impact.HOWEVER remember EVERY time you ingest this you must consider the anti-parasitic impacts and be prepared to support your body nutritionally in its need to detox....AND...recognise that the sedative impacts of the CBD are similar or paralel to some Herxheimer symptoms like lethargy and others that you will experience if you ingest the CBDs...so you may need to reduce the CBD intakes to consider the Herxheimer potentials if they manifest... .if you are heavily infected by unpoliced parasites because you simply didn't know about it like MOST OF US for most of your life ...well then you have to be extra careful to take small steps when it comes to killing the parasites in your body.....you may have to try driving them out using other non-lethal methods like spices andother foods that do not kill them but make it impossible for them to live inside of you.Simply dropping an effective remedial anti-parasitic CBD bomb into your severely parasite infected body without understanding the relationship between the antiparasitic you ingest and the impacts on the bugs and your body is not wll advised.

Yes...many people are now learning by trial and error.....most have no idea of the anti-parasitic properties of this food....it is a plant it is a food......

Yes,killing parasites will IMPROVE YOUR HEALTH ON MANY LEVELS depending on your individual state of affairs....AS SOON as the little buggers are 86ed your auto-immune system can do its job AND BELIVE THAT IT CERTAINLY CAN AND WILL....you MUST work with your MD when ingesting this super-antiparasitic....because you will have to closely monitor the dosages of any remedial drugs you were taking BEFORE you ingested the antiparasitics because THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU WILL EXPERIENCE QUICKLY will send false-positives ...meaning that as your body recovers its ability to do its job parasite free and it produces all of the things you need again you will slowly see the need to AS PER YOUR DOCTORS AKNOWLEDGED RESULTS wean yourself off of the pharmacuticals being used to support your previously parasite infected bodys inability to function fully and completely.

As you can see this is a complicated issue...so the sooner someone reading this researches this angle and begins passing it around the better....not just this reply,...but research what I am saying frame it in your own ways and pass it on....this is very important for people to know.It is very easy to confuse the proxy impacts of the CBDs in the oil with the impacts of Herxheimer type impacts from ingesting a wonderfull antiparasitic.....some of them are similar....this is why it is good to understand both the proxy CBD impacts as well as the ANTI-PARASITIC Herxheimer related impacts and why it is critical to have your MD involved in your planning.Doctors have a big role to play in this issue in the future....they are still needed...they are a critical component of clearing the body of parasites and their related diseaes and because we ALL NATURALLY HAVE CARRY AND INGEST parasites AS A NORMAL PART OF LIFE ON PLANET EARTH JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER LIVING CREATURE....we will ALWAYS NEED OUR DOCTORS TO BE WORKING WITH US until we are in a healthy stable state....the methds and use of pharmacuticals may change as the knowledge of the parasite/disease/cancer connectins become mainstream as they are now ... but the NEED TO KEEP IN CLOSE TOUCH AND COMMUNICATION WITH YOUR DOCTOR will ALWAYS BE CRITICAL.




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posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 10:36 AM
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So depending on the state you live in is going to give you your answer. If you live in a state where it's not legal for medical use, you're going to get either a negative reaction or a "Since it's not legal for medical use, I have no opinion on the matter". They want to be sure their butts are as covered as they can be. My wife just had back surgery and had similar questions, and received similar answers. It was more of a don't vape or smoke anything, because that can cause issues, and since it's not legal in this state they had no opinion on other forms of ingestion. The best I got was from my primary care doc, who said she would prescribe it over a lot of other medications were she legally able to do so.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 11:09 AM
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We are all responsible for our own health. Physician heal thy self.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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If Your time allows, sit outside this Dr.s office when 'The Rep™' is in town buying lunch. And until Your Dr. gets some help paying their Med.School bills from the Cannabis Oil Combine, don't be too surprised if You get another script or 3 headed Your way.. There is 'No Dice' that BigPHarma™ wants You growing Your own medicine; then You might grow Your own food (and voila wala haha) You're no longer sick! Heck then You might even bicycle Your way to work...

Grow Your own medicine; then You won't NEED "Them"

There is a strain for every pain..

Here is some w/out any THC..

www.cbdoilusers.com...


You might also introduce Your Dr. to the 'Endo-Cannabinoid System' which is in the human body. I'm thinking the Dr. had to have an Anatomy 101 class? If not maybe dig one up @KahnAcademy..

Stay Hydrated...

P.S. I'm a medically retired cop and nobody would know I am a user of Cannabis if it weren't for the ZigZag Man because He has a tattoo of Me...


*** Your Mileage May Vary

P.S.S. I bet Cannabis is 'safer' for You than the Rx poison they're "pushing" on You..



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: JimNasium

Thanks for link Jim. That made me finding this stuff a lot easier.

You da man.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 06:36 PM
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After a day out, I am back from the doctor.

"I have been having problems with my grip and stuff"
SILENCE
"My digestion has been near literal crap lately"
SILENCE
"I wonder about the effects of CBD oil" (twice, to 2 people)
SILENCE

When I say silence, I didn't even so much as get a tilted head or a look. But, OMG! Those numbers STILL HAVE TO BE TWEAKED (he screamed in frustration)! My bloodsugar was 117! My AC1 was 7.6! Hell, the doc was gonna make me spend $230 on 10 units a day of insulin I have not even taken- and I'd have to throw 3/4 of the bottle away if I did!!! They did not even notice I WAS NOT TAKING IT. They could not *tell*.

I'm asking wife's doc office if they are taking medicare patients, and then, it's sayonara. I am *done*.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: grey580

When it comes to any sort of Diabetes . Diet is 100% what you need to control.

In my case any sort of stress as well- physical and/ or mental. Seems to send it up like a rocket.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: kurthall

Guess who will be fired when I line up a new doc... Read my post below.



posted on Apr, 24 2018 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: one4all

It explains a lot- I have been hungry, I have been needing more water than usual, and it's been like my body's been flushing things left and right.




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