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The Evolution of Jesus in Early Christianity

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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 12:27 AM
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a reply to: EasternShadow

Actually what we are disputing is specifically an account of the temple being raided by Josephus. Right??

So obviously that would be evidence huh??

The Jews were in constant rebellion during that period. So I don’t see why it would be shocking if pilot did raid the temple...




posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 12:32 AM
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a reply to: EasternShadow

Oh I’m sure you would have to be fluent in first century Judean history to be the premenant NT scholar on the planet lol..



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 12:42 AM
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a reply to: EasternShadow

A) What do you mean “the king of Jews “incident??

That it was written on jesus’s Cross?

That would have been public. The conversation with pilot was held in private , if I remember correctly.


B) for sure, but usually the earliest account is the most credible. The earliest account would have been from mark and from a Jewish perspective.


Bart’s thesis reads like a real event..


Someone, maybe the Pharisees told the Romans jesus was crowning himself king of the Jews. Maybe fraudulently..

The Romans crucified him because of that accusation.. like they did constantly with similar issues..


We would have to invent crazy circumstances to explain modern christianities dotrine..

“Why would the Romans care about Jewish theology??”

Why would pilot allow the the crowd to choose??

Why would he care what some poor Jewish carpenter said??

Why would he care enough to repent later??



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 12:42 AM
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a reply to: Akragon




Well he wasn't falsely accused... according to the pharisees


Agreed I really need to pay more attention to
wording.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 12:46 AM
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a reply to: Akragon

I’m not so sure..

Al Jews claim to be the son of god and refer to him as “father”.

That wouldn’t be a hard “mistake to make”..


Jesus could have meant the normal “child of god way” and later retelling added an extra meaning to that.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Akragon

I’m not so sure..

Al Jews claim to be the son of god and refer to him as “father”.

That wouldn’t be a hard “mistake to make”..


Jesus could have meant the normal “child of god way” and later retelling added an extra meaning to that.


No Joshua, all Jews call God YHWH and won't even speak His name, in fact many Jews write God as G_d in reverence still to this day
Calling God Father is a Christian only thing and it was established by Jesus in the Lord's Prayer

You just keep speaking and people will realize how completely ignorant you are to this field
Pretending to know makes you look sillier and sillier and sillier and still more



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
What i do get a kick out of is when "christians" say things like the above poster... Lol

Bart Ehrman was a pastor, and is one of the best NT scholars on the planet

The man was a straight up fundamentalist preacher... Even believed the bible had no errors at one point... But he knows nothing about Jesus right

LMAO.... Hilarious


I didn't say Bart Ehrman "knows nothing about Jesus" I said Bart Ehrman doesn't understand Jesus Christ, big difference.

"Bart Ehrman was a pastor" "a straight up fundamentalist preacher... Even believed the bible had no errors" doesn't mean he was a Christian, he probably just wanted some attention.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: glend


Then practices like vegetarianism might be a pre-requisite for salvation.


Actually that was clarified in the gospels...

Eating can not defile a man... ya?




posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 02:34 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Ove38

You think you do. Because you just choose to believe what makes you feel good.


If actually had evidence to support your claim it would be different.

Like Peter, Paul and John I choose to believe Jesus Christ and not persons like Bart Ehrman



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 02:36 AM
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a reply to: Ove38


he probably just wanted some attention.


Perhaps...

that doesn't mean that he was not a "true christian" at one point... or a pastor... professor... Fundy?

LOL... He happened to find issues with his beliefs... and got rich from writing about his findings...

that does not take anything away from his credentials in the least




posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 02:44 AM
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Al Jews claim to be the son of god and refer to him as “father”


Really?

Im not sure where you would get that idea...



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:05 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: EasternShadow

Actually what we are disputing is specifically an account of the temple being raided by Josephus. Right??

So obviously that would be evidence huh??

The Jews were in constant rebellion during that period. So I don’t see why it would be shocking if pilot did raid the temple...



And what evidence is that? Could you point any historical document to back up Ehrman's claim that Pontius Pilate raided the Jewish Temple?

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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:16 AM
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Philo’s assessment of Pilate’s governorship, spoken after he had been removed from office.

“corruption, and his acts of insolence, and his rapine, and his habit of insulting people, and his cruelty, and his continual murders of people untried and uncondemned, and his never ending, and gratuitous, and most grievous inhumanity.” (Flaccus, 83)

definitely not a direct claim of raiding a temple but... ye know?

ehrmanblog.org...

Easy to find too...

www.earlychristianwritings.com...


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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:17 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: EasternShadow

Oh I’m sure you would have to be fluent in first century Judean history to be the premenant NT scholar on the planet lol..

So, you are saying The permenant NT scholar now become the permenant historical scholar?

Come on, don't make archeology and history scholars laugh.

You really should know theology and historical study are two different fields.

No secular academia in history study pay attention to any religion thesis.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:21 AM
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I know that already Ak. Thanks.

That is why I ask evidence from Ehrman, and I am certain Philo won't give him any beside slandering Pontius Pilate from Alexandria. Lol



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:21 AM
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a reply to: EasternShadow

Considering he deals with "historical documents"...

I would have to believe Dr. Ehrman is a qualified historian

at least in his field




posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:32 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: EasternShadow

Philo’s assessment of Pilate’s governorship, spoken after he had been removed from office.

“corruption, and his acts of insolence, and his rapine, and his habit of insulting people, and his cruelty, and his continual murders of people untried and uncondemned, and his never ending, and gratuitous, and most grievous inhumanity.” (Flaccus, 83)

definitely not a direct claim of raiding a temple but... ye know?

ehrmanblog.org...

Easy to find too...

www.earlychristianwritings.com...



Ehrman just mix up between procurator Gessius Florus and Pontius Pilate. Philo didn't mentioned temple raid in Flaccus. It was taken from Josephus's The Antiquities of the Jews. Lol.

See? How easy for someone who doesn't has enough history qualification making a mess with timeline and chronical order.



posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:39 AM
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Ehrman just mix up between procurator Gessius Florus and Pontius Pilate. Philo didn't mentioned temple raid in Flaccus. It was taken from Josephus's The Antiquities of the Jews. Lol.


Any links for that?

or direct quotations from said writers?


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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:40 AM
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posted on Apr, 25 2018 @ 03:43 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: glend


Then practices like vegetarianism might be a pre-requisite for salvation.


Actually that was clarified in the gospels...

Eating can not defile a man... ya?



Baby eating satinists will be pleased!




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