a reply to: TobyFlenderson
we're not talking about murder, we're talking about population control....
or more specifically, what is the best, most humane way to avoid having a mass of starving, homeless people, many children, on the streets begging for
a slice of bread.
because if the rise in population gets that far out of control, I don't care how effective you believe that little bubble you see yourself in.....
you will be effected!
the majority of abortions occur very early in the pregnancy, it's a rather large stretch to consider an abortion as being murder. surely the
developing lifeform within the uterus didn't have enough awareness to know it was being "murdered"...
let's look at some of the avenues that have been used in the past to address the problems presented by overpopulation and the poverty that grows as a
first there's always infantcide... which was way more common back in the time before abortions were legal.
and of course, making abortion illegal didn't really stop abortions, it just made them much more dangerous.
then there was the great idea that we would set up workhouses, poor houses, orphanages, then withhold funding for them, many of the kids that went
into these places never made it out, and many of those who did make it out were not able to function in any normal capacity.
then we got the bright idea that we could pick and choose who should and shouldn't have kids to begin with....
forced abortions, forced sterilizations, on selected groups of people... well, that ended when the nazis found the end up that path and started up
their complex killing machines called concentration camps...
so which is better, ending the life of the deformed fetus destined to die at birth before it's born, in a rather painfree way, or bringing into the
world and leaving it a cold windowsill alone in a cold dark room, which still occasionally happens... neither are really good choices, are they? it
seems that the good choice would be to limit the number of deformed babies to begin with, wouldn't it.... but noooo!! to do that we need good
prenatal care!! and, to have that included in our basic insurance policies might raise the cost of everybody's insurance by a few cents... we can't
sure, a special needs baby might have a good chance to having a happy life, if given a little extra to meet it's medical and educational needs....
but noooo!!! you don't see that as being your problem to solve, do you?
when it comes to sex education, well, your preferred education is abstinance only, which is really crazy since every one of those kids are in school
to learn how to be productive adults in our society.... and even married adults have the desire and need to control their family size... or do you
expect them to practice abstinance throughout the biggest bulk of their marriage once they reach their preferred family size.
and of course, birth control is also a big no no to the pro-life crowd. like maternity care, they don't want that to be included in the average
insurance policy....women should be paying more if they want that!!!
well... you add all of the republican policies like this together, and it seems to be, you are heading back to the first few methods of population
control!!! infantcide, because mothers are pushed past their limits. risking death with an illegal abortion because they know their limits. and
workhouses, poorhouses and orphanages for them to waste away in, when the mass of poor reaches the point where all society wants to do is get them out
of their sight and away from their children.
there are things that could be done to reduce the number of abortions, there are things that we could do to increase the changes that every child
conceived developes into a healthy baby. there are things that we could do to make having children a more affordable option, and there are things we
could be doing to cause women not to want to abort their babies... we have the resources to ensure that every child receives good quality healthcare
from conception to birth, and beyond, as well provide them with all their needs. and, being a good mom is the most honorable, self sacrificing thing
a women will ever do, there's no reason for her to be treated like crap by employers, by society, like she is! she can spend 20 out of 24 hours
devoted to her kids, and making their surroundings clean and safe for them... and yet have it be said that she hasn't worked. if she finds the
family income lacking and enters the job market, no matter how qualified she is, no matter how long she sticks to the job, how much she learns, how
dependable she becomes, she will never get a fair wage, because the boss will see himself as being second in line behind her kids. no, society, or at
least the republican part of it, is no more willing to give the mother the honor she deserves or be generous enough to ensure that the kids have what
they need than they were back in the days of workhouses...
save the kids for what exactly? so they can be tapped into for free labor like they were, die of starvation, like many did, be abused like many were?
just what are you saving them for, more suffering?
out of all the options ever tried, it seems like giving the mother the right to chose, through birth control and abortion, how many kids she can take
care of to begin with seems to be the best, kindest option! children born spaced apart, receiving good prenatal care produces healthier children.
children raised up with good nutrition and quality education produces more productive adults.
and no, we aren't reaching those goals, but we are closer!!!