Ocala Florida high school shooting

A school's purpose is no longer to teach....it's to indoctrinate.

a reply to: DBCowboy

It’s because all we do is bicker about politics. TPTB are playing us like a fiddle while kids are left to be taught by teachers and not the parents. Fox, CNN and MSNBC have taken over the lives of parents when they get home. Leaving the kids to sulk and or act without rule.
Thankfully the kid shot will live. This could have been a lot worse for him and a lot of other kids.

a reply to: DBCowboy

if they let kids fight it out without getting multiple felonies and their lives ruined in an effort to create a "safe" society this wouldn't be happening

matter of fact knocking teeth out would make our society overall a better place as people would HAVE to have more respect in their day to day interactions

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Byrd

We aren't teaching our kids how to deal with issues that might effect them.

We aren't teaching our children how to cope.

We aren't teaching our children how to problem solve.

Further more we aren't even teaching
kids how to learn. I've always seen a
lack of basic learnig skills like memory
association as big un noticed problem
for most kids. That's why pre school kids
seem to do better IMO. But way to many
kids enter the public school system at a
disadvantage. Much harder to teach someone
who hasn't been taught how to learn first.

Also maybe taking the pledge of alligence
and prayer out of school. Basically
kicking God out of our kids lives for
more secular ideas? Only to turn around
and teach them that it's okay to be gay?
All I'm say'n is I see a direct correlation
between when God was allowed in school.
And what we have now that secular atheism
has had it's pissy lil way.

So think about that!

Living in a PC culture creates unnatural stresses on children.

We're raising kids to some artificial "social-construct" ideal of what children should be.

Some academics, somewhere, sitting in their god-damned ivory towers have determined that children should learn a certain way, behave a certain way, react a certain way, respond a certain way.

And any behavior outside of their "norm" is met with drugs and behavior modification.







And we sit back and wonder why our kids are so ####ing messed up.

a reply to: DBCowboy

And we sit back and wonder why our kids are so ####ing messed up.

I try like hell to let my wifes boy know I got
his back always. And that I love him. I think
letting him know how different the world is
today from the one I knew. Telling him crazy
stories about my ass seems to take a lot
of the pressure off. I could never be a source
of more stress on a kid growing up in this
world. Good God it's already way over the
top. They must feel like failure is the end
of the world. I think if they were told it"s
okay either way? We wouldn't be have'n
all this.

And the reaction most people have when
one does finally crack. I see them as the
real monsters.

a reply to: Krakatoa

A nineteen year old man you say, is it legal to buy alcohol in that state at 19 ?

How is that relevant here?
As an adult, can he vote in any local, state, or national election?
As an adult, can he be charged and sentenced as such for a crime, or as a juvenile?

If you think that drinking is a sign of being an adult, perhaps you need to grow up a bit more yourself.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Living in a PC culture creates unnatural stresses on children.

We're raising kids to some artificial "social-construct" ideal of what children should be.

Some academics, somewhere, sitting in their god-damned ivory towers have determined that children should learn a certain way, behave a certain way, react a certain way, respond a certain way.

And any behavior outside of their "norm" is met with drugs and behavior modification.

And we sit back and wonder why our kids are so ####ing messed up.

Being somewhat older than you, I can say that blaming it on political correctness is a false lead. We've seen societies where political correctness was MUCH more rigid than in today's society -- what that tends to lead to is ritualized violence (duels... like two cars and a case of mutual road rage) but does not spark more violence.

What sparks violence is deeply divided inequity (a few very wealthy and a very large poor population) and little to no opportunity to change the status for the average person. In unequal societies, political correctness protects the very wealthiest (think of Victorian England) while the poor turn and rage on each other.

a reply to: Krakatoa

The flip side to that is 19 yrs old is an adult unless you have to pay child support then they are not adult until 21.. mind boggling

a reply to: Byrd

You may be older by a tiny bit, but I think the idea has merit.

We rely almost solely on political correctness to dictate and determine educational standards while other nations have a more traditional (and far better) educational system.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Byrd

You may be older by a tiny bit, but I think the idea has merit.

We rely almost solely on political correctness to dictate and determine educational standards while other nations have a more traditional (and far better) educational system.

Most countries have a tradition of valuing their teachers and pay them accordingly.

In the US, you get what you pay for; Simple economics, not BS political correctness.

Compare European teacher salaries with the US....here, I'll do it for you.

www.theguardian.com...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Byrd

You may be older by a tiny bit, but I think the idea has merit.

We rely almost solely on political correctness to dictate and determine educational standards while other nations have a more traditional (and far better) educational system.

Actually, we don't rely on "political correctness" to determine educational standards. We are dominated by political definitions of our education system which are driven in many cases by special interests.

If you think we're politically correct, I invite you to study Japan in depth and the rigid cultural systems of politeness and high expectations... or Germany, with its system that quickly shuffles you off into the trades or the classic classicism of the British schools. With your expectations of what American culture should be, you would feel strangled by any of these countries' school systems.

What you would find, however, are better paid teachers, smaller classrooms (so class management isn't a nightmare) and better government support for education - which is the old conservative bugbear of "really big government." Really really big government and lots of socialism.

Removing "political correctness" won't fix unqualified teachers, overburdened classrooms (where you spend all your time trying to get control instead of teaching), lack of resources, constant testing to a standard, etc, etc.

See NPR report

Canada ranks among the top 5 education systems as do other more socialist countries (and countries where political correctness is emphasized and things like NeoNazis are strongly suppressed.)

a reply to: Byrd

I can't believe we finally have one of
these discussions going in the right
direction. And there seems to be a lack
of interest.

I just don't understand people I guess.

I'm betting it's over a girl. 19 year old goes back to school to shoot 17 year old in the leg? Yes someone is mad over a girl.

a reply to: Krakatoa


It's relevant if the state decides you're not a man until you reach 21.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Krakatoa


It's relevant if the state decides you're not a man until you reach 21.

With all due respect no...it is not relevant. Being an adult has nothing to do with drinking at all. Legal issues, and voting, however, you know, IMPORTANT THINGS in being a citizen, are what matters.

Again, I suggest you may need to reprioritize what you consider are things that make you an adult.

Drinking is not one of them.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Health isn't important now?

Regardless you're missing the point, an adult should be able to make decisions without hindrance from the state.

Sad.

It feels almost regular. Like it’s becoming normal... which could be having an adverse effect almost by indirectly encouraging others to just shoot your problems away because it’s becoming more normal and accepted now because everyone keeps doing it.

Just sh-t your entire life away no big deal, you’re not alone.

I feel like heroin works the same way, it’s become so normal and regular and such the epidemic that now we just hand out narcan like candy. And while that’s saving lives I feel like it’s also enabling.

Yeah we all need better coping skills and a new acceptance of being imperfect/making error/failing and being rejected.

Byrd, all the stuff you’re saying is interesting. In your opinion what direction should we be moving into that would help reduce the violence? What things should we be focusing on to adjust? Like taking care of poverty and etc?

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Byrd

I can't believe we finally have one of
these discussions going in the right
direction. And there seems to be a lack
of interest.

I just don't understand people I guess.

Well, this is the age of the Internet, when our need for excitement is fueled by quarrels and "I can't wait to see what THAT person wrote so I can deliver a smackdown!"

This can also get into the issue of who educates the children about what topics and what kind of education. I will say honestly that I'm glad the perpetrator apparently had no training in firearms because I feel that if they did know how to aim and shoot, at least one person would be dead.

Schools are trying to teach social remediation and social justice and work with "kid courts" to help address problems but I'm not sure how strongly those take if the kid goes home to a toxic home environment. My personal opinion is that this is a "wicked problem" or "superwicked problem" which has so many inputs and impactors that you can't just simply remove one thing and change the whole system.

Wikipedia on "wicked problems"